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Ìîñêâà Âîêàë, ×èòêà, Ãèòàðà, Èíñòðóìåíòàëüùèê 
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Çàñûë: îáû÷íàÿ êâàðòèðà â ïàíåëüíîì äîìå. ×åðåç ãîä ïëàíèðóåòñÿ ãðàíäèîçíûé ðåìîíò ñ îôèãèòåëüíîé çâóêîèçîëÿöèåé. À ïåòü íóæíî óæå ñåé÷àñ. Ïðîáëåìà: ñîñåäè ñíèçó ñ ìàëåíüêèì ðåá¸íêîì, óìíîæåííûå íà îòëè÷íóþ ñëûøèìîñòü è ìîè âîêàëüíûå óïðàæíåíèÿ. Öåëü: çâóêîèçîëèðîâàòüñÿ îò ñîñåäåé ñíèçó. Ãëàâíûå êðèòåðèè ðåøåíèÿ: äåøåâèçíà (äî 6-8 òûñÿ÷ ðóáëåé) è ïðîñòîòà óñòàíîâêè. Ïîêà ÷òî ÿ îñòàíîâèëñÿ íà òàêîì âàðèàíòå: ïîëîæèòü íà ïîë 2 ñëîÿ 4 ìì ïðîáêîâîé ïîäëîæêè, à ñâåðõó àêóñòè÷åñêèé ëèíîëåóì, ëèáî êîâðîëèí. Âîïðîñû: 1. Åñòü ëè âàðèàíòû ëó÷øå çà òó æå öåíó? 2. Ïîäëîæêó êëàñòü ïîâåðõ ëèíîëåóìà (êîòîðûé ñåé÷àñ ëåæèò), ëèáî ëèíîëåóì ñäèðàòü è êëàñòü ïîäëîæêó ïîâåðõ áåòîíà (îòíîñèòåëüíî ðîâíîãî)? 3. ×òî ëó÷øå êëàñòü ïîâåðõ ïðîáêè: àêóñòè÷åñêèé ëèíîëåóì èëè êîâðîëèí? Èëè ÷òî-òî åù¸? 4. Íóæíî ëè èçîëèðîâàòü ñòåíû è áàòàðåþ, åñëè íàøà öåëü çàãëóøèòü çâóê äëÿ ñîñåäåé ñíèçó? |
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Åñòü ëþäè, â êîòîðûõ æèâ¸ò Áîã.
Åñòü ëþäè, â êîòîðûõ æèâ¸ò Äüÿâîë. À åñòü ëþäè, â êîòîðûõ æèâóò òîëüêî ãëèñòû. |
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Òåìà: Re: Çâóêîèçîëÿöèÿ äîìà.
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Ìîñêâà Âîêàë, ×èòêà, Ãèòàðà, Èíñòðóìåíòàëüùèê
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Çàäà÷à òîëüêî ïåòü. DM, ñêîëüêî æäàòü? ß ïëàíèðóþ ê 5-ìó äåêàáðÿ çàêóïèòü âñ¸ è ê 10-ìó çàêîí÷èòü óêëàäêó. Î÷åíü ïðîøó îòâåòèòü íà ìîè âîïðîñû óæå ñåé÷àñ, ïóñòü äàæå êðàòêî, äàáû ïðîñòî ñîðèåíòèðîâàòü! |
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Åñòü ëþäè, â êîòîðûõ æèâ¸ò Áîã.
Åñòü ëþäè, â êîòîðûõ æèâ¸ò Äüÿâîë. À åñòü ëþäè, â êîòîðûõ æèâóò òîëüêî ãëèñòû. |
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Òåìà: Re: Çâóêîèçîëÿöèÿ äîìà.
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Äåøåâî è áûñòðî íå áûâàåò. Òû ýòèì äåíüãè çàðàáàòûâàåøü? Åñëè 6-8 òûñÿ÷ ðóáëåé òî ÿ íå óâåðåí, äëÿ ýòîãî íóæíî õîòÿ áû 20 è íåäåëè 2 ïðè îòñóòñòâèè îïûòà. À ïðè íûíåøíèõ öåíàõ íà ìàòåðèàë è ñ ó÷åòîì ðàáîòû èòîãî áîëüøå. Ðàçíèöà âî ìíå è àäèîñòîïå â òîì, ÷òî îíè ýòèì æèâóò è ïðåäëîæàò òûñÿ÷ çà 250, ÿ æå îáúÿñíþ êàê ñäåëàòü òîæå ñàìîå çà 25-40 íî áåç ó÷åòà ðàáîòû è íå òàê êðàñèâî. Òðàòèòü âðåìÿ íà ôîðóìå êàæäûé ðàç ÿ íå â ñîñòîÿíèè.  êîíöå êîíöîâ íå ìíå íàäî è äåíåã ÿ íå áåðó. | |
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Òåìà: Re: Çâóêîèçîëÿöèÿ äîìà.
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ÏÐèâåò! "ïîëîæèòü íà ïîë 2 ñëîÿ 4 ìì ïðîáêîâîé ïîäëîæêè" À ïðîáêà äëÿ ÷åãî âîîáùå ïðåäíàçíà÷àëàñü? Ýòî òàêàÿ êàê â áóòûëêàõ ìàñàíäðû? ïðîáêà èç ïðîáêîâîãî äåðåâà ïðÿìî âîò äà? |
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Òåìà: Re: Çâóêîèçîëÿöèÿ äîìà.
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îòäåëî÷íûé ìàòåðèàë, ïðèÿòíûé íà îùóï, äîâîëüíî äîðîãîé. | |
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Òåìà: Re: Çâóêîèçîëÿöèÿ äîìà.
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Ìîñêâà Ìèêðîôîí 
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Äëÿ èìåííî èçîëÿöèè ëó÷øå âñåãî "ñýíäâè÷". Åñëè ñòàðûé ëèíîëåóì äîñòàòî÷íî ðîâíûé, ìîæíî íå îòäèðàòü, íî ó÷òè, ÷òî òåáå ýòèì äûøàòü. Íà íåãî èëè òâîþ ïðîáêó (÷òî äîðîæå), èëè ïåíîïîëèïðîïèëåí (ìîæ è îøèáàþñü, òèïà òóðèñòè÷åñêèõ êîâðèêîâ, ïîäåøåâëå), ñâåðõó ëàìèíàò, íà íåãî êîâðîëèí. Òàêîé ñëîåíûé ïèðîã äîëæåí ïîìî÷ü. Êàê òàì, ó Íüþýëëà - çâóêîèçîëèðóþùèìè ñâîéñòâàìè îáëàäàåò íå ñàì ìàòåðèàë, è ãðàíèöà ìåæäó ìàòåðèàëàìè (èëè òèïà òîãî, òî÷íî ùàñ íå âñïîìíþ, íî ïðèíöèï òàêîé). | |
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Òåìà: Re: Çâóêîèçîëÿöèÿ äîìà.
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Âîò îïûò äðóãèõ òîâàðèùåé ! |
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Íè÷åãî íå íàäî.
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Òåìà: Re: Çâóêîèçîëÿöèÿ äîìà.
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äåðåâíÿ Äåðåâÿííûé Ìîñò áðÿêè, êðèêè 
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òû óâåðåí, ÷òî çâóê èäåò òîëüêî ÷åðåç ïîë? Ïîë îáû÷íî îòäåëåí îò ïîòîëêà íèæíåãî ïîìåùåíèÿ. Îáû÷íî çâóê ê ñîñåäÿì ïðîõîäèò ÷åðåç âåíòèëÿöèþ, ðîçåòêè.. Ìîæåò äàæå ÷åðåç áàòàðåè. Òàêàÿ èäåÿ. Êóïè ñåáå áîëüøîé âûñîêèé øèôîíüåð. Ïðîâåäè â íåãî ñâåò. Ñîîðóäè àêòèâíóþ âåíòèëÿöèþ ÷åðåç êàêîé-íèáóäü çâóêîâîé ëàáèðèíò. Çâóêîèçîëèðóé ïîâåñèâ îäåæäó âîêðóã ñòåíîê, èëè îáåé êàêèì-íèáóäü êîâðîëèíîì èëè åùå ÷åì íèáóäü. È âñ¸. Íå áóäåøü ìåøàòü íå òîëüêî ñîñåäÿì, íî è äîìàøíèì. Åñëè ó òåáÿ íåò êëàóñòðîôîáèè, êîíå÷íî. |
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>Íå áóäåøü ìåøàòü íå òîëüêî ñîñåäÿì, íî è äîìàøíèì. à äëÿ âàñ ñåãîäíÿ íîâîå ëåêàðñòâî - õëîðïðîòèêñåí |
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Òåìà: Re: Çâóêîèçîëÿöèÿ äîìà.
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Ñåâàñòîïîëü 
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êàéô - íîâîé àëüáîì ãðóïïû Õ çàïèñàí â øêàôó, ñâåäåí íà äèâàíå, à îòìàñòåðåí íà óíèòàçå... Óïîòðåáèòü - â ìóñîðíîå âåäðî - êàéô... | |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGje6mctCXc https://www.realmusic.ru/albums/32323 |
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Òåìà: Re: Çâóêîèçîëÿöèÿ äîìà.
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Ïåòåðáóðã Ìèêøåð
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Òàì åùå åñòü ïåðëû: Êàðòà ó ìåíÿ Creative x-fi elite pro ñ ìèêðîñõåìàìè îò emu. Ïðåàìï èç íåî÷åíü äîðîãèõ îäíîêàíàëüíûé îò art tube. Ìèêðîôîí Nady SCM-1000. ...Êîãäà çàïèñûâàëàñü, òî íàáëþäàëà, êàê çâóêðåæ âîçèëñÿ, è ýòó âîçíþ ÿ ïî÷åìó-òî äîëæíà ñïîíñèðîâàòü =) (...)ðåçóëüòàò çàïèñè íà ïðîô.ñòóäèè ìåíÿ áîëåå ÷åì íå óñòðàèâàåò ÷àñòî. À âîò ñîáñòâåííàÿ ðàáîòà, êîãäà íèêòî íå ìåøàåò òâîð÷åñêîìó ïðîöåññó - ïîëó÷àåòñÿ âåëèêîëåïíî. |
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Ñåâàñòîïîëü
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Âñ¸ ïîñëåäíåå ïðåäëîæåíèå ñïðàâåäëèâî - åñëè íà âûõîäå åñòü ðåçóëüòàò... | |
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äåðåâíÿ Äåðåâÿííûé Ìîñò áðÿêè, êðèêè
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>êàéô - íîâîé àëüáîì ãðóïïû Õ çàïèñàí â øêàôó, ñâåäåí íà äèâàíå, à îòìàñòåðåí íà óíèòàçå... Óïîòðåáèòü - â ìóñîðíîå âåäðî - êàéô... âíèìàòåëüíî ÷èòàåì òîïèêñòàðòåðà > íàøà öåëü çàãëóøèòü çâóê äëÿ ñîñåäåé ñíèçó à íå çàïèñü êîíå÷íîãî ïðîäóêòà |
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Ñåâàñòîïîëü
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óãó -è çàäîõíóòüñÿ îò çàïàõà ñîáñòâåííûõ íîñêîâ - êàêîå ìîæò áûòü èñêóññòâî - êîãäà äûøàòü íå÷åì - ïèøèòå âñå ÷òî óãîäíî äî 11 âå÷åðà â áóäíè - íèêòî è ñëîâà ñêàçàòü íå ñìîæåò... | |
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äåðåâíÿ Äåðåâÿííûé Ìîñò áðÿêè, êðèêè
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Âî ïåðâûõ, íîñêè íàäî ÷èñòûå íîñèòü. Âî âòîðûõ, ÿ ïèñàë ïðî àêòèâíóþ âåíòèëÿöèþ ÷åðåç ëàáèðèíò. |
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Òåìà: Re: Çâóêîèçîëÿöèÿ äîìà.
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Ñåâàñòîïîëü
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2ÄÌ Ýòî ÷òîòî ïðî ìèíîòàâðà, âðîäå.Õîòÿ ÿ ïîä ãíåòîì ñàóíäáëîããåðîâ è äðóãèõ ÐÅÀËÜÍÛÕ àâòîðèòåòîâ, êîòîðûå ïî÷åìóòî áîÿòñÿ òåì íå ìåíåå ñåáÿ íàçûâàòü, ïåðåñòàë ñîâñåì ñîîáðàæàòü... |
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äåðåâíÿ Äåðåâÿííûé Ìîñò áðÿêè, êðèêè
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àêóñòè÷åñêèé ëàáèðèíò. ñêâîçü êîòîðûé âåíòèëÿòîð áóäåò íàãíåòàòü âîçäóõ âíóòðü. âîçäóõ | V |_ | | _| |_ | | _| |_ | | _| |_ | | _| |_ | | _| |_ | | _| | V Íàäî ñäåëàòü øèðå ÷åì íà ðèñóíêå è âíóòðè îáèòü çâóêîïîãëîùàþùèì ìàòåðèàëîì. |
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äåðåâíÿ Äåðåâÿííûé Ìîñò áðÿêè, êðèêè
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íàðèñîâàí íå ñàìûé ýôôåêòèâíûé ãëóøàê, ñòåíêà âûõîäíîé ñåêöèè òàêîé æå òîëùèíû êàê è âõîäíîé, áîëüøîé ïåðåïàä äàâëåíèÿ âñèëó íåãðàìîòíîé àýðîäèíàìè÷åñêîé êîíñòðóêöèè, íåîáõîäèìîñòü ÷åì-òî îáèâàòü åùå ñèëüíåå åãî óâåëè÷èò. îæèäàë áîëüøåãî îò "ñàóíäáëîããåðîâ" |
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Ñåâàñòîïîëü
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2äì Ñàóíäáëîããåð â òåìå ïðî ïðîòóõëç )) À ìîæíî åùå ñòåíû ëàáèðèíòà íàñêîëüêî ÿ ïîíèìàþ ïîä 45 ðàñïîëîæèòü | | |\\ | | \\ | | \\ | | \\ \\ | | \\ | | \\ | | \\| òîëüêî ðàññòîÿíèå ìåæäó ïåðåãîðîäêàìè ïîáîëüøå - à íàõëåñò ëó÷øå åëè îñòàíåòñÿ - ðàçâå òàê í ëó÷øå? ß êîíå÷íî íå ïåöèàëèñò - íî âñå æå )) |
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äàóø... Ýòî óäàâ, ñõåâøèé êîëá÷óþ ïðîâîëîêó êàêîéòî ïîëó÷èëñÿ...)) Íó äà ëàäíî... )) |
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äåðåâíÿ Äåðåâÿííûé Ìîñò áðÿêè, êðèêè
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>íàðèñîâàí íå ñàìûé ýôôåêòèâíûé ãëóøàê, ñòåíêà âûõîäíîé ñåêöèè òàêîé æå òîëùèíû êàê è âõîäíîé, áîëüøîé ïåðåïàä äàâëåíèÿ âñèëó íåãðàìîòíîé àýðîäèíàìè÷åñêîé êîíñòðóêöèè, íåîáõîäèìîñòü ÷åì-òî îáèâàòü åùå ñèëüíåå åãî óâåëè÷èò. > >îæèäàë áîëüøåãî îò "ñàóíäáëîããåðîâ" Íåñîâåðøåíñòâî ýñêèçà âûçâàíî òðóäíîñòÿìè, ñâÿçàííûìè ñ èçîáðàçèòåëüíûìè âîçìîæíîñòÿìè àñêèè-àðòà. Ñòåíêè âñå îäíîé òîëùèíû, ñêàæåì 1ñì, èç äîñêè. Ëàáèðèíò - ýòî âñåãî-ëèøü èçîãíóòûé êîëåíàìè âîçäóõîâîä ñ ïëîùàäüþ ñå÷åíèÿ êàíàëà íà ìåíåå 100êâñì. ñ ó÷åòîì îáèâêè. Äëèíà ðàñ÷èòûâàåòñÿ ÷òîáû áûëà íå ìåíüøå äëèíû ñàìîé íèçêîé íîòû. Ñêàæåì äëÿ 100Ãö ýòî áóäåò 3.5Ì. Ò.å. âñÿ ïàíåëü ãëóøàêà áóäåò, ãðóáî, 40 õ 100 õ 12 ñì, ñå÷åíèå êàíàëà 11 õ 11ì, ñ 0.5ñì îáèâêîé äàñò 10õ10. Ëó÷øå äåëàòü äâà ëàáèðèíòà, âõîäíîé è âûõîäíîé. Õîòÿ-áû îäèí ñäåëàòü ñ âåíòèëÿòîðîì. Âîò ãäå âûõîäíîé âîçäóõ çàáèðàòü? Ñâåðõó, ò.ê. âûäûõàåìûé âîçäóõ òåïëûé è ñòðåìèòñÿ ââåðõ, èëè ñíèçó, ò.ê. óãëåêèñëûé ãàç òÿæåëåå âîçäóõà? |
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“We act as though comfort and luxury were the chief
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Òåìà: Re: Çâóêîèçîëÿöèÿ äîìà.
Âðåìÿ: 16.12.2008 19:36 |
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>Äëèíà ðàñ÷èòûâàåòñÿ ÷òîáû áûëà íå ìåíüøå äëèíû ñàìîé íèçêîé íîòû. Ñêàæåì äëÿ 100Ãö ýòî áóäåò 3.5Ì. Ò.å. âñÿ ïàíåëü ãëóøàêà áóäåò, ãðóáî, 40 õ 100 õ 12 ñì, ñå÷åíèå êàíàëà 11 õ 11ì, ñ 0.5ñì îáèâêîé äàñò 10õ10. êàêèì îáðàçîì 121 ì2 âëåçàåò â 40 õ 100 õ 12 ñì? êòî âîîáùå ïåðâîèñòî÷íèê ñåãî äåâàéñà? |
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Òåìà: Re: Çâóêîèçîëÿöèÿ äîìà.
Âðåìÿ: 16.12.2008 20:22 |
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äåðåâíÿ Äåðåâÿííûé Ìîñò áðÿêè, êðèêè
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>êàêèì îáðàçîì 121 ì2 âëåçàåò â 40 õ 100 õ 12 ñì? > >êòî âîîáùå ïåðâîèñòî÷íèê ñåãî äåâàéñà? íå ïîíÿë îòêóäà 121 ì2 ? ïåðâîèñòî÷íèê - ÿ. ß äàë ýòî êàê èäåþ.  ðàñ÷åòû íå âäàâàëñÿ. Íî ìîæíî ïðè æåëàíèè è ðàñ÷èòàòü. íåìíîãî òåîðèè íàïðèìåð òóò |
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“We act as though comfort and luxury were the chief
requirements of life, when all that we need to make us happy is something to be enthusiastic about.” Einstein |
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Òåìà: Re: Çâóêîèçîëÿöèÿ äîìà.
Âðåìÿ: 16.12.2008 20:42 |
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äåðåâíÿ Äåðåâÿííûé Ìîñò áðÿêè, êðèêè
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âîò òóò ïîïðîùå ôîðìóëà Îòêðûòàÿ òðóáà 3.5ì äèàìåòðîì 12ñì, (ïëîùàäü ñå÷åíèÿ ïðèìåðíî êàê ó òðóáû êâàäðàòíîãî ñå÷åíèÿ 10õ10) èìååò ðåçîíàíñ 47Ãö. Ãîëîñ íà òàêîé ÷àñòîòå îáû÷íî ãðîìêî íå çâó÷èò, ó áîëüøèíñòâà ëþäåé, à äðóãèå ÷àñòîòû áóäóò ãàñèòüñÿ îáèâêîé, îòðàæàÿñü â êîëåíàõ ëàáèðèíòà. Äëÿ áàñà, íàâåðíîå, íàäî äåëàòü òðóáó äëèííåå. |
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“We act as though comfort and luxury were the chief
requirements of life, when all that we need to make us happy is something to be enthusiastic about.” Einstein |
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