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Òåìà: Ïåðåâîä ïåñíè.
Âðåìÿ: 12.01.2014 14:37 |
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Ïåñíÿ: Îðèãèíàëüíûé òåêñò: It Ain't 1918 (Ron Mael) Johnny was a soldier with the Allies Johnny was a soldier all the way Johnny was a soldier with a fun side Johnny liked to laugh a lot each day Johnny met a girl who was a beauty Johnny never thought to live in sin "Do you take this girl?" "Yes I take this girl" Johnny had a next of kin They were happy as they were So everything around would change But they would never, ever change It ain't 1918 except for these two-it ain't 1918... Everybody in Missouri knows them Everybody there has seen their car Everybody seen their Stanley Steamer Everybody knows It's Johnny's car Wave as you see Johnny drive to market Watch a bit of past go steaming by Johnny and his bride Johnny and his car without a change of any kind And they were happy as they were Everything around had changed But they had never, ever changed It ain't 1918 except for there two-it ain't 1918... Many people in St. Lou are wealthy A lady by the name of Miller is Wouldn't it be nice to help out Johnny Kinda play a real life Santa Claus She and many other St. Lou people Bought ol’ Johnny quite a fancy car And a modern home Threw away his comb Bought his wife a Paris scarf Johnny thanked the St. Lou folk But told them in a voice so sad That he would rather stay as is The people of St. Lou were mad, and they said It ain't 1918 for us or for you If we can't enjoy it... Then neither will you À òåïåðü ïåðåâîä. Ðàçóìååòñÿ, "â ìåëîäèþ": Äæîííè áûë ñîëäàòîì âîéñê Àíòàíòû, Äæîííè ïðîòèâ íåìöåâ âîåâàë, Äæîííè áûë âåñ¸ëûì ñëàâíûì ïàðíåì, Äæîííè íèêîãäà íå óíûâàë. Îí, ñ âîéíû âåðíóâøèñü, âñêîðå âñòðåòèë Äåâóøêó, ÷òî âñåõ åìó ìèëåé. Âû ñîãëàñíû? - Äà! Âû ñîãëàñíû? - Äà! Äæîííè îáâåí÷àëñÿ ñ íåé.  èõ ñåìüå ëþáîâü è ëàä, Êàê è ìíîãî ëåò íàçàä. Âðåìåíè íå ñëûøåí õîä - Äàâíî óæå íå âîñåìíàäöàòûé ãîä Äëÿ âñåõ, êðîìå Äæîííè. Êàæäûé â Ñåíò-Ëóèñå çíàåò Äæîííè, È åãî æåíó, è ñòàðûé äîì, È åãî ìàøèíó Ñòåíëè Ñòèìåð - Íåò ñåé÷àñ òàêèõ! - è âîò âäâî¸ì Åäóò ìóæ ñ æåíîþ â ñóïåðìàðêåò, ß íå ïîíèìàþ, â ÷¸ì ñåêðåò: Òû íà íèõ âçãëÿíè - Ñ÷àñòëèâû îíè, Áóäòî èì ïî äâàäöàòü ëåò.  èõ ñåìüå ëþáîâü è ëàä, Êàê è ìíîãî ëåò íàçàä. Âðåìåíè íå ñëûøåí õîä - Äàâíî óæå íå âîñåìíàäöàòûé ãîä Äëÿ âñåõ, êðîìå Äæîííè. Òå èç ãîðîæàí, êòî ïîáîãà÷å, Òàê ðåøèëè ïåðåä Ðîæäåñòâîì: Ñàíòà-Êëàóñ æèâ, à ýòî çíà÷èò, Ìû ïîäàðèì Äæîííè íîâûé äîì, È ìàøèíó êóïèì âìåñòî ñòàðîé, È îäåæäó èç æóðíàëà ìîä Äæîííè-ñòàðèíå È åãî æåíå  Ðîæäåñòâî è Íîâûé ãîä. Äæîííè èõ áëàãîäàðèò, Íî íå íóæíî, ãîâîðèò, Âåäü ìû ñ÷àñòëèâû è òàê... Íî ñëûøèò: ñòàðûé òû äóðàê! (âîò äóðàê...) Ïðî ñâîé âîñåìíàäöàòûé ãîä ïîçàáóäü, Íå ñ÷àñòëèâû ìû - è... Òû òîæå íå áóäü. |
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Òåìà: Re: Ïåðåâîä ïåñíè.
Âðåìÿ: 12.01.2014 16:01 |
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Tomsk GuitaR_êà 
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À íàôèãà? Íó åñëè òû ïîòðåíèðîâàëñÿ â ïåðåâîäå, òî ñîéäåò. Âîò òîëüêî çà÷åì ýòî, ïåðåâîäèòü íà ðóññêèé? ëè÷íî ìíå - íå ïîíÿòíî, äà è ÷óæäî. Ïðîòèâ ôðèöåâ îí âîåâàë ìëÿ. Îïÿòü íàìåê íà òî, ÷òî àìåðèêàíöû Âòîðóþ Ìèðîâóþ âûèãðàëè 
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Òåìà: Re: Ïåðåâîä ïåñíè.
Âðåìÿ: 12.01.2014 18:29 |
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Ìîÿ áàáóøêà õîçÿéêà ìåêñèêàíñêîãî íàðêîêàðòåëÿ è íå õî÷åò áðàòü ìåíÿ â äåëî 
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Õîðîøèé ïåðåâîä. Îðèãèíàëüíî, ÿ áû äàæå ñêàçàë. | |
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"Ìîæåò è íå â òåìó, íî êðàñèâî"
"À íàñ÷åò ëåêñèêîíà - ñîâñåì íå â òåìó. Ëåêñèêîí ó ìåíÿ ïðèëè÷íûé" (ñ) Aurum |
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Òåìà: Re: Ïåðåâîä ïåñíè.
Âðåìÿ: 12.01.2014 19:40 |
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Âëàäèìèðñêàÿ Ðóñü
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Îòëè÷íî. | |
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"ÿ àëëåêà ëþáëþ... ïðàâèòü" (Ñ)
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Òåìà: Re: Ïåðåâîä ïåñíè.
Âðåìÿ: 13.01.2014 00:24 |
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Ìîñêâà P-bass, C-bass, U-bass...
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>À íàôèãà? Íó åñëè òû ïîòðåíèðîâàëñÿ â ïåðåâîäå, òî ñîéäåò. Âîò òîëüêî çà÷åì ýòî, ïåðåâîäèòü íà ðóññêèé? ëè÷íî ìíå - íå ïîíÿòíî, äà è ÷óæäî. >Ïðîòèâ ôðèöåâ îí âîåâàë ìëÿ. Îïÿòü íàìåê íà òî, ÷òî àìåðèêàíöû Âòîðóþ Ìèðîâóþ âûèãðàëè ×èòàéòå âíèìàòåëüíåå! Ïåñíÿ î ÏÅÐÂÎÉ ìèðîâîé âîéíå!
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Òåìà: Re: Ïåðåâîä ïåñíè.
Âðåìÿ: 13.01.2014 00:56 |
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õû..ïðîòåñòóþ-----ýòî íèêóÿ íå ïåðåâîä----âîëüíàÿ èíòåðïðåòàöèÿ..âñå ðàâíî ÷òî øåêñïèðà â ïåðåâîäå Ìàðøàêà ÷èòàòü))-------à òàê -----à âîò ñêàæè ----çà÷åì?? ïðîùå òîãäà Äæîííè Êýøà íà ðóññêèé àäàïòèðîâàòü)) |
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Öâåòî÷íûé ìåä, ñ ôèçèîëîãè÷åñêîé òî÷êè çðåíèÿ, — ýòî ðâîòíûå ìàññû íàñåêîìûõ èç ïîëóïåðåâàðåííûõ âûäåëåíèé ïîëîâûõ îðãàíîâ ðàñòåíèé.
êàæäûé èìååò ïðàâî ðàñïîðÿæàòüñÿ ñâîåé æîïîé ïî ñâîåìó óñìîòðåíèþ(ñ) Ðàíåâñêàÿ |
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Òåìà: Re: Ïåðåâîä ïåñíè.
Âðåìÿ: 13.01.2014 08:52 |
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Tomsk GuitaR_êà
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>×èòàéòå âíèìàòåëüíåå! Ïåñíÿ î ÏÅÐÂÎÉ ìèðîâîé âîéíå! Íó, òîãäà ññîðè, îãóëüíî ïðî÷èòàë Íî âñå ðàâíî ìíå íå ïîíÿòíî, çà÷åì áûëî äåëàòü ýòîò âîëüíûé ïåðåâîä  Õîòÿ, ýòî äåëî àâòîðà... íîðìàëüíûé ïåðåâîä) |
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Òåìà: Re: Ïåðåâîä ïåñíè.
Âðåìÿ: 13.01.2014 16:49 |
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Î÷åíü õîðîøî. Ìíå ïîíðàâèëàñü âàøà ðàáîòà. Ðåñïåêò. | |
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Òåìà: Re: Ïåðåâîä ïåñíè.
Âðåìÿ: 13.01.2014 20:26 |
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>õû..ïðîòåñòóþ-----ýòî íèêóÿ íå ïåðåâîä----âîëüíàÿ èíòåðïðåòàöèÿ..âñå ðàâíî ÷òî øåêñïèðà â ïåðåâîäå Ìàðøàêà ÷èòàòü) Íàïèøè òîãäà ñëîâî â ñëîâî ñâîé âàðèàíò. Äëÿ ïåñíè - âïîëíå äîñòàòî÷íûé óðîâåíü ñîîòâåòñòâèÿ, äàæå èçáûòî÷íûé. >çà÷åì?? >ïðîùå òîãäà Äæîííè Êýøà íà ðóññêèé àäàïòèðîâàòü)) Ýòî ïîòîìó ÷òî òû íà íåãî íàÿðèâàåøü? À Ãðóçîâèê ïðåäëîæèë áû Ïðèìóñ ïåðåâîäèòü? Àâòîð çàõîòåë - è ñäåëàë. Ìîëîäåö. |
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Òåìà: Re: Ïåðåâîä ïåñíè.
Âðåìÿ: 14.01.2014 02:09 |
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Íåðåçèíîâêà ïðåïàðèðîâàííàÿ ãèòàðà 
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Íîðìàëåííî, ÿùåòàþ. | |
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Òåìà: Re: Ïåðåâîä ïåñíè.
Âðåìÿ: 14.01.2014 04:36 |
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>Íîðìàëåííî, ÿùåòàþ. ß ïåðå÷èòàë, è ÿùåòàþ ÷òî áîëåå ÷åì íîðìàëüíî, òî÷íî ñõâà÷åíà â ïåðåâîäå àíãëîñàêñîíñêàÿ ñòðóêòóðà òåêñòà, ñêëîííàÿ ê ïîâòîðåíèÿì çàïåâà, âîîáùå ïîâòîðàì è âîîáùå ñòèëü ïåðåäàí âåðíî. À ýòî â ñòèëèçàöèè 99% ðåçóëüòàòà. Ïî òåõíèêå - ìîæíî ðàáîòàòü, à ìîæíî è òàê îñòàâèòü. ß âîò ïîíÿë, ÷òî ýòî#######, êîãäà ïåðå÷èòàë. ß íå äóìàþ ÷òî áóäåò ëó÷øå ïðè ïåðåäåëêå. Àâòîð ÷îòêî ðóáèò ñàì ñìûñë ïåðåâîäà è ñòèëèçàöèè. À ýòî ìíîãîãî ñòîèò. Ïî÷èòàë áû è äðóãèå åãî âåùè, à ëó÷øå áû ïîñëóøàë. Ïðàâäà õç êàê ýòî ïåòü. Ïîñëóøàë îðèãèíàë - íó íèõüÿ íå ïîíèìàþ, ÷åñòíî. Ìîå óõî ýòî - "âåíí äè çîëüäàòåí", íèêàê íå "Òèïïåðåðè". |
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Òåìà: Re: Ïåðåâîä ïåñíè.
Âðåìÿ: 14.01.2014 04:40 |
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Äèåçû â ïðåäûäóùåì ïîñòå îáîçíà÷àþò ïîëîæèòåëüíóþ îöåíêó â íåöåíçóðíîì ñìûñëå. | |
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Òåìà: Re: Ïåðåâîä ïåñíè.
Âðåìÿ: 14.01.2014 13:52 |
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Ìîñêâà P-bass, C-bass, U-bass...
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>>Íîðìàëåííî, ÿùåòàþ. >ß ïåðå÷èòàë, è ÿùåòàþ ÷òî áîëåå ÷åì íîðìàëüíî, òî÷íî ñõâà÷åíà â ïåðåâîäå àíãëîñàêñîíñêàÿ ñòðóêòóðà òåêñòà, ñêëîííàÿ ê ïîâòîðåíèÿì çàïåâà, âîîáùå ïîâòîðàì è âîîáùå ñòèëü ïåðåäàí âåðíî. À ýòî â ñòèëèçàöèè 99% ðåçóëüòàòà. >Ïî òåõíèêå - ìîæíî ðàáîòàòü, à ìîæíî è òàê îñòàâèòü. ß âîò ïîíÿë, ÷òî ýòî#######, êîãäà ïåðå÷èòàë. >ß íå äóìàþ ÷òî áóäåò ëó÷øå ïðè ïåðåäåëêå. Àâòîð ÷îòêî ðóáèò ñàì ñìûñë ïåðåâîäà è ñòèëèçàöèè. À ýòî ìíîãîãî ñòîèò. Ïî÷èòàë áû è äðóãèå åãî âåùè, à ëó÷øå áû ïîñëóøàë. >Ïðàâäà õç êàê ýòî ïåòü. Ïîñëóøàë îðèãèíàë - íó íèõüÿ íå ïîíèìàþ, ÷åñòíî. Ìîå óõî ýòî - "âåíí äè çîëüäàòåí", íèêàê íå "Òèïïåðåðè". Äåëàë äëÿ àêò¸ðñêîãî êàâåð-ïðîåêòà, ïðèòîì àêóñòè÷åñêîãî - ÿ äóìàþ, ýòî ìíîãîå îáúÿñíèò. È âîîáùå ëþáëþ Ñïàðêñîâ ïðàêòè÷åñêè îò è äî, â òîì ÷èñëå çà èõ òåêñòû - ìàëî êîìó òàê óäà¸òñÿ ñî÷åòàòü èðîíèþ è ãëóáèíó. Ïîñòàðàëñÿ íå èñïîðòèòü Ïî÷èòàòü àâòîðà Ïîñëóøàòü ,ïðàâäà, àëüáîì 2006 ãîäà, íåìíîãî ìîðàëüíî óñòàðåë áîëåå ñâåæèå âåùè åñòü íà Þòóáå:È íåìíîãî äðóãàÿ ñòîðîíà, íàñ òàì òðè àâòîðà, âûêëàäûâàþ ãäå ìîè òåêñòû: Ïðîçû íåìíîãî äî êó÷è: . Âñ¸, âðîäå âåñü êàê íà äóõó, â îñòàëüíûõ ïðîåêòàõ òîëüêî íà áàñó èãðàþ
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