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Âðåìÿ: 02.07.2009 17:10 
Moskwah-wah-wah
Äâà

ñîáñòâåííî åñòü ðÿä ïåäàëåé ó êîòîðûõ ìîæíî ïåðåêëþ÷àòüñÿ 9 íà 18
íåêîòîðûé ìàêñîíû, íîâûé êàòàëèíáðèäû, áîëüøîå êîëè÷åñòâî ôóëëòîíîâ è òï
êàê ìåíÿåòñÿ çâóê è äëÿ ÷åãî ýòî âîîáùå ñäåëàíî?
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Òåìà: Re: 9/18 âîëüò
Âðåìÿ: 02.07.2009 17:31 
Byzantium
Fender/Vigier guitars Marshall amps/cabs TN Torpedo Live

>ñîáñòâåííî åñòü ðÿä ïåäàëåé ó êîòîðûõ ìîæíî ïåðåêëþ÷àòüñÿ 9 íà 18
>íåêîòîðûé ìàêñîíû, íîâûé êàòàëèíáðèäû, áîëüøîå êîëè÷åñòâî ôóëëòîíîâ è òï
>êàê ìåíÿåòñÿ çâóê è äëÿ ÷åãî ýòî âîîáùå ñäåëàíî?


Most guitar effects are made to run on 9 volts DC, because 9V batteries are small and popular. But the chips are not really designed for 9V and will run and sound better at higher voltages. Higher voltage will give more clean headroom before distortion, more clarity, and deeper sound of the effect. It is especially beneficial if you run loud or distorted signal.....
...Βυζαντινή Ρωμαίοι εδω ... Φαειτ τα σκαταμ.
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Âðåìÿ: 02.07.2009 17:36 
Éîøêàð-Îëà
Gibson

ß ñèëüíî íå îáðàçîâàííûé â äåëàõ ýëåêòðîíèêè - íî äëÿ ñåáÿ ÷åòêî óÿñíèë - áîëüøå íàïðÿæåíèå, çíà÷èò çâóê ïëîòíåå, ÷åò÷å, áîëåå ñîáðàííûé ÷òîëè. Ïî êðàéíåé ìåðå ó äèñòîâ èìåííî òàê.
Gibson LP Standard
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Òåìà: Re: 9/18 âîëüò
Âðåìÿ: 02.07.2009 17:49 
Ìåäâåïóòèíñê
Microkorg XL

íó ÷èï äëÿ õîðóñà, êîòîðûé ñòîèò â ñìîëêëîíå, TC SCF è áîöàõ ðàñêðûâàåòñÿ íà ïîëíóþ ïðè 15 âîëüòàõ.

Ïðåäó-ýìóëÿòîðó ôåíäåðà íàäî íå ìåíüøå 18 âîëüò è ò.ï. Íî ýòî ñïðàâåäëèâî íå äëÿ âñåõ ïðèìî÷åê.

Òîëüêî äëÿ àíàëîãîâûõ :)

Äðóãîå äåëî, ÷òî ñàìè ïðîèçâîäèòåëè ìîãóò âïåíäþðèòü èíâåðòîð, ÷òîáû ñäåëàòü èç 9 âîëüò - 18, ìíîãî òîêà òî íåíóæíî. Íî ïîõîäó òàê äåëàþò òîêà ÀÌÒ :)
- Êîíöåðò Ñòàñà Ìèõàéëîâà â Ìóðìàíñêå îòìåí¸í èç-çà îòñóòñòâèÿ çðèòåëåé
- Ïîõîæå, Ìóðìàíñêó ïîðà ïðèñâàèâàòü çâàíèå Êóëüòóðíîé Ñòîëèöû Ðîññèè.
www.shift-line.com
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Âðåìÿ: 02.07.2009 17:57 
Ìîñêâà


ó îêêî ïåðåêëþ÷àåöà. æåñò÷å ñòàíîâèòñÿ çâóê, ÷èòàåìåå è ãðîì÷å, ïîýòîìó ÿ âñåãäà èãðàþ íà 18 âîëüò :death:
Gibson EB bass/Gibson LP Std
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Òåìà: Re: 9/18 âîëüò
Âðåìÿ: 02.07.2009 18:27 
Byzantium
Fender/Vigier guitars Marshall amps/cabs TN Torpedo Live

òîêà íàäî ñìîòðåòü êàíä¸ðû(ýëåêòðîëèòû) êàêèå ñòîÿò - âûäåðæàò ëè îíè áîëüøå ÷åì 9/12 âîëüò...

.... àíàëîãìýí ñòåðåî-õîðóñå ñòîÿò ðýëå(ñòåðåî òðó áàéïàñ), êîòîðûå äåðæàò òîëüêî 12 âîëüò,
åñëè äàòü áîëüøå 12-òè - ìîãóò ñãîðåòü...
ìîíî-õîðóñ - òàì ìîæíî äî 18 âîëüò
...Βυζαντινή Ρωμαίοι εδω ... Φαειτ τα σκαταμ.
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Òåìà: Re: 9/18 âîëüò
Âðåìÿ: 02.07.2009 18:30 
Ìîñêâà


G.A., â îêêî òàì ðàññ÷èòàíî, òàê ïåðåêëþ÷àëêè åñü :)
Gibson EB bass/Gibson LP Std
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Òåìà: Re: 9/18 âîëüò
Âðåìÿ: 02.07.2009 18:35 
Byzantium
Fender/Vigier guitars Marshall amps/cabs TN Torpedo Live

êòî-íèòü ïðîáîâàë dyna comp íà 12 âîëüò(è áîëüøå) ???
...Βυζαντινή Ρωμαίοι εδω ... Φαειτ τα σκαταμ.
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Òåìà: Re: 9/18 âîëüò
Âðåìÿ: 02.07.2009 18:38 
Ìîñêâà
õâîñòú äà êîõãòè

òàê, òàê, òàê, òîëüêî áåç ôàíàòèçìà èíà÷å ïîÿâèòñÿ íîâûé ôîðìàò - 2 êðîíû :) :) :)
Cat + Techno music + Extasy
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Òåìà: Re: 9/18 âîëüò
Âðåìÿ: 02.07.2009 18:45 
Ìîñêâà


Äæè-Äæè, äà åñòü êàêáû òàêîé ôîðìàò :smoke:
Gibson EB bass/Gibson LP Std
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Òåìà: Re: 9/18 âîëüò
Âðåìÿ: 02.07.2009 18:57 
Ìîñêâà
Strat, ASAT, SG, Takamine

áóñòåð ÷åðíûé êàñòîì àóäèî òîæå ìîæíî âêëþ÷àòü-õî÷åøü â 9,õî÷åøü â18... Äåìî åñòü â ÏÃÑ.. òàì âñå ÿâíî ñëûøíî) íà 18-åùåáîëåå âçðîñëî âñå)
Strat, ASAT, SG->Budda-> Cmatmods Signa Comp-> Zendrive->OCD->Fulltone '70 -> MXR Phase 90-> T-Rex Tremster-> RC Booster-> Strymon Brigadier-> Strymon Blue Sky// TS-808->BJFe Folk Fuzz->Wampler Plexi Drive-> Ibanez Flanger->EHX Pulsar->Malekko 616
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Òåìà: Re: 9/18 âîëüò
Âðåìÿ: 02.07.2009 19:29 
Moskwah-wah-wah
Äâà

ó ìåíÿ êàê ðàç íà äèñèáðèêå åñòü ðàçü¸ìû 18 âîëüò
âîòêíó òóäà áóñòåð ÷åðíûé êàñòîì àóäèî è òèçåð ñòàëèîí êîòîðûé íàêîíåö âûøåë - ïîãëÿäèì ÷òî áóäåò
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Âðåìÿ: 02.07.2009 19:36 
Ìîñêâà
õâîñòú äà êîõãòè

LEO, íå ÿ ïðî òî ÷òî áîööû ñòàíóò ñ øèðîêîé êíîïêîé, ïîä êîòîðóþ áóäóò âòûêàþòñÿ 2 êðîíû, æèðíûå òüþï ñêðèìåðû òàêèå æå :) :) :)
Cat + Techno music + Extasy
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Òåìà: Re: 9/18 âîëüò
Âðåìÿ: 02.07.2009 19:44 
Moskwah-wah-wah
Äâà

îñòàïà êñòàòè ïîñòîÿííî ñïðàøèâàþò êàê èç äâóõ êðîí ñäåëàòü 18 âîëüò
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Òåìà: Re: 9/18 âîëüò
Âðåìÿ: 02.07.2009 20:47 
Ìîñêâà
Strat, ASAT, SG, Takamine

à ó ìåíÿ íåòó ïèòàëêè íà 18... è ôèã ñ íåé) ïåäàëåé íà 18 òîæå íåòó... íàâåðíîå, ïîýòîìó))
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Òåìà: Re: 9/18 âîëüò
Âðåìÿ: 02.07.2009 20:50 
Moskwah-wah-wah
Äâà

à OCD ?
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Âðåìÿ: 02.07.2009 20:54 
Ìîñêâà
Strat, ASAT, SG, Takamine

Jimmy_Budweiser, à ÷å.. îíà íà 18 òîæå èäåò? íå ïîìíþ äàæå... Ñåé÷àñ ïî÷èòàþ.
Strat, ASAT, SG->Budda-> Cmatmods Signa Comp-> Zendrive->OCD->Fulltone '70 -> MXR Phase 90-> T-Rex Tremster-> RC Booster-> Strymon Brigadier-> Strymon Blue Sky// TS-808->BJFe Folk Fuzz->Wampler Plexi Drive-> Ibanez Flanger->EHX Pulsar->Malekko 616
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Òåìà: Re: 9/18 âîëüò
Âðåìÿ: 02.07.2009 21:34 
Ìîñêâà
Strat, ASAT, SG, Takamine

à.. òàì òàê:
"ìîæåòå çàïóñêàòü ýòó ïåäàëèíó 9-âîëüòîâûì ïèòàíèåì èëè ËÞÁÛÌ ïèòàíèåì îò 9 äî 18 âîëüò... âû îáàëäååòå îò çâóêîâîé ðàçíèöû: ÷åì âûøå âîëüòàæ- òåì ÷èùå,ãðîì÷å è áîëåå äèíàìè÷íûì áóäåò çâóê, ïî òèïó êàê ðàçíèöà ìåæäó 50 è 100 âàòíûìè ìàðøàëëàìè."
Ïåðåâîæó èç áóìàæêè, êîòîðàÿ â êîðîáêå))
Strat, ASAT, SG->Budda-> Cmatmods Signa Comp-> Zendrive->OCD->Fulltone '70 -> MXR Phase 90-> T-Rex Tremster-> RC Booster-> Strymon Brigadier-> Strymon Blue Sky// TS-808->BJFe Folk Fuzz->Wampler Plexi Drive-> Ibanez Flanger->EHX Pulsar->Malekko 616
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Òåìà: Re: 9/18 âîëüò
Âðåìÿ: 02.07.2009 21:38 
Ìîñêâà
õâîñòú äà êîõãòè

Ãó, íàäî ïðîáîâàòü! :) :) :)
Cat + Techno music + Extasy
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Òåìà: Re: 9/18 âîëüò
Âðåìÿ: 02.07.2009 21:42 
Moskwah-wah-wah
Äâà

>à.. òàì òàê:
>"ìîæåòå çàïóñêàòü ýòó ïåäàëèíó 9-âîëüòîâûì ïèòàíèåì èëè ËÞÁÛÌ ïèòàíèåì îò 9 äî 18 âîëüò... âû îáàëäååòå îò çâóêîâîé ðàçíèöû: ÷åì âûøå âîëüòàæ- òåì ÷èùå,ãðîì÷å è áîëåå äèíàìè÷íûì áóäåò çâóê, ïî òèïó êàê ðàçíèöà ìåæäó 50 è 100 âàòíûìè ìàðøàëëàìè."
>Ïåðåâîæó èç áóìàæêè, êîòîðàÿ â êîðîáêå))

ò.å. òàì íåò ïåðåêëþ÷àëêè?
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PITERBURG


íåòó â cae áóñòåðå òîæ íåòó æ )
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Òåìà: Re: 9/18 âîëüò
Âðåìÿ: 02.07.2009 21:55 
Ìîñêâà
õâîñòú äà êîõãòè

êðàí÷ áîêñ òîæå ìîæåò ïèòàòüñÿ êàê îò 9-25 áåç âñÿêèõ ïåðåêëþ÷àëîê...
Cat + Techno music + Extasy
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Òåìà: Re: 9/18 âîëüò
Âðåìÿ: 02.07.2009 22:01 
Ìîñêâà
Strat, ASAT, SG, Takamine

íó ðåáÿòà.. íó íåòó ïèòàíèÿ íà 18 âîëüò..õîòåë ñäåëàòü è Áîãó÷àðîâó ïèñàë..íåñêîëüêî ðàç. íî ïî÷òàëüîí çàïèë..íàâåðíîå))
Íåò, êàê BOSS è ñêàçàë-ïåðåêëþ÷àëîê íåò òàì..ïðîñòî ìîæíî êîðìèòü èõ (ïðèìî÷è) è îíè åäÿò)
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Òåìà: Re: 9/18 âîëüò
Âðåìÿ: 02.07.2009 22:02 
Ìîñêâà
Strat, ASAT, SG, Takamine

ìëÿ, íå çà ãîðàìè íîâàÿ ìîäà-18âîëüò! èáî ýòî ÒÐÓÚ!!
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Òåìà: Re: 9/18 âîëüò
Âðåìÿ: 02.07.2009 22:15 
Moskwah-wah-wah
Äâà

:idea2:
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Âðåìÿ: 03.07.2009 00:07 
Ýñòîíèÿ, Òàëëèí
Ibanez RGD2127 | RG2620

Äæèììè!

Ó òåáÿ äàíëîïîâñêèé ÄÖ Áðèê? Â äâóõ ñëîâàõ, êàê îí? Ãóä? :)
Ibanez RGD2127z (BKP MM set) | RG2620 QMSP (BKP Nailbomb bridge) >> Korg Pitchblack >> Chris Custom Dr. Silvery >> Yerasov Detonator >> Yerasov Bull-V 212(Eminence Swamp Thang | The Governor)
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Âðåìÿ: 03.07.2009 00:23 
Moskwah-wah-wah
Äâà

äà íîðìàëüíûé âðîäå :)
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Âðåìÿ: 03.07.2009 12:40 
Ìîñêâà
Strat, ASAT, SG, Takamine

The Man from, òðàíñôîðìàòîð ñ ñîáîé âîçè)))
Strat, ASAT, SG->Budda-> Cmatmods Signa Comp-> Zendrive->OCD->Fulltone '70 -> MXR Phase 90-> T-Rex Tremster-> RC Booster-> Strymon Brigadier-> Strymon Blue Sky// TS-808->BJFe Folk Fuzz->Wampler Plexi Drive-> Ibanez Flanger->EHX Pulsar->Malekko 616
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Òåìà: Re: 9/18 âîëüò
Âðåìÿ: 03.07.2009 13:53 
PITERBURG


íà çâóê âëèÿåò åùå êàê )) ýòî ñëûøíî íå ñàìûì èñêóøåííûì óõîì .
âòîðîå ñîîáùåíèå ÷èòàåì

Most guitar effects are made to run on 9 volts DC, because 9V batteries are small and popular. But the chips are not really designed for 9V and will run and sound better at higher voltages. Higher voltage will give more clean headroom before distortion, more clarity, and deeper sound of the effect. It is especially beneficial if you run loud or distorted signal.....

âñå òàê è åñòü
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Ìîñêâà
Strat, ASAT, SG, Takamine

âñ¸! áóäó èñêàòü íîâûé áëîê ïèòàíèÿ))) ñ 18-âîëüòîâûìè âîçìîæíîñòÿìè))
Strat, ASAT, SG->Budda-> Cmatmods Signa Comp-> Zendrive->OCD->Fulltone '70 -> MXR Phase 90-> T-Rex Tremster-> RC Booster-> Strymon Brigadier-> Strymon Blue Sky// TS-808->BJFe Folk Fuzz->Wampler Plexi Drive-> Ibanez Flanger->EHX Pulsar->Malekko 616
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>BOSS, äà ýòî ïîíÿòíî, ðå÷ü âåäü øëà î ïåäàëÿõ ñ ïåðåêëþ÷àòåëÿìè ñ âîçìîæíîñòüþ âûáîðà íàïðÿæåíèÿ ïèòàíèÿ. Ò.å. ìîæåò áûòü òàêîå, ÷òî 18 áóäóò íà ÎÓ ïîäàâàòü òîò æå òîê, ÷òî è ïðè 9-òèâîëüòîâîì ïèòàíèè? À åñëè õî÷åøü äîáèòüñÿ óêàçàííîãî â öèòàòå ýôôåêòà, ïîâûøåííîå íàïðÿæåíèå íóæíî ïîäàâàòü íà 9-òèâîëüòîâûé âõîä.

äà ïåäàëåé ñ ïåðåêëþ÷àòåëÿìè íà ïàëüöàõ ñîñ÷èòàòü ìîæíî ÿ èõ ââîáùå íå âèäåë . à MXR Fulltone è òä ïðîñòî 18 äàåøü â 9 âîëüòîâûé âõîä åñòåñòâåííî è ïåäàëü ðàñêà÷èâàåòñÿ .
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PITERBURG


ïðî ìàíóàë Ôóëëòîíà OCD Ãóñòàâ æý óæå ïèñàë .

"ìîæåòå çàïóñêàòü ýòó ïåäàëèíó 9-âîëüòîâûì ïèòàíèåì èëè ËÞÁÛÌ ïèòàíèåì îò 9 äî 18 âîëüò... âû îáàëäååòå îò çâóêîâîé ðàçíèöû: ÷åì âûøå âîëüòàæ- òåì ÷èùå,ãðîì÷å è áîëåå äèíàìè÷íûì áóäåò çâóê, ïî òèïó êàê ðàçíèöà ìåæäó 50 è 100 âàòíûìè ìàðøàëëàìè."
Ïåðåâîæó èç áóìàæêè, êîòîðàÿ â êîðîáêå))
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The Man from
Òåáå íàäî ïðîñòî óñëûøàòü ñàìîìó îäèí ðàç , ðàçíèöà î÷ îùóòèìàÿ . :)
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Âðåìÿ: 03.07.2009 14:13 
Ìîñêâà
Strat, ASAT, SG, Takamine

>äà ïåäàëåé ñ ïåðåêëþ÷àòåëÿìè íà ïàëüöàõ ñîñ÷èòàòü ìîæíî ÿ èõ ââîáùå íå âèäåë . à MXR Fulltone è òä ïðîñòî 18 äàåøü â 9 âîëüòîâûé âõîä åñòåñòâåííî è ïåäàëü ðàñêà÷èâàåòñÿ .

óãó))
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Moskwah-wah-wah
Äâà

àéÿéÿé
âèäèìî ïðèä¸òñÿ ïîìèìî òèçåð ñòàëèîíà çàêàçûâàòü ÄËÑ âìåñòî êñîòèêà áá ))) è ñòàíîâèòüñÿ ýíäîðñåðîì :idea2:
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Ìîñêâà
Strat, ASAT, SG, Takamine

êàê ïî ìíå, òàê äëñ ñâîèìè äâóìÿ ðåæèìàìè èíòåðåñíåå ÂÂ...
Strat, ASAT, SG->Budda-> Cmatmods Signa Comp-> Zendrive->OCD->Fulltone '70 -> MXR Phase 90-> T-Rex Tremster-> RC Booster-> Strymon Brigadier-> Strymon Blue Sky// TS-808->BJFe Folk Fuzz->Wampler Plexi Drive-> Ibanez Flanger->EHX Pulsar->Malekko 616
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Moskwah-wah-wah
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÷åòûðüìû ðåæèìàìè :idea2:
âåäü êàæäûé ðåæèì ìîæåò áûòü êàê 9 òàê è 18 :idea2:
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Strat, ASAT, SG, Takamine

áóõãàëòåð))))
Strat, ASAT, SG->Budda-> Cmatmods Signa Comp-> Zendrive->OCD->Fulltone '70 -> MXR Phase 90-> T-Rex Tremster-> RC Booster-> Strymon Brigadier-> Strymon Blue Sky// TS-808->BJFe Folk Fuzz->Wampler Plexi Drive-> Ibanez Flanger->EHX Pulsar->Malekko 616
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PITERBURG


ïîíÿòíî ) òîëüêî íàäî òåïåðü ïðèìåð òàêîé ïåäàëè è êàêîé òàì àäàïòåð 9â èëè 18â , ïîâûøàåò òàì ñòàá èëè ïîíèæàåò )
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Ìîñêâà


â îêêî íàïðèìåð îäíà êðîíà òîêà ñòîèò, íî îíè êàêèì-òî îáðàçîì ïîäàþò íà ñõåìó 18 âîëüò. ìàãèÿ :ponimayu:
Gibson EB bass/Gibson LP Std
 ýòîò ôîðóì ìîãóò ïèñàòü òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûå ïîëüçîâàòåëè!