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Òåìà: Re: Yamaha THR 5 and THR 10
Âðåìÿ: 28.01.2014 23:33 
Alf
Ìîñêâà


 Ìîæåò ìíå è ïîêàçàëîñü, íî ðåãóëèðîâêè âðîäå ïîìÿã÷å ñòàëè, áîëåå ïðåäñêàçóåìûå. Ðàíøå ðåçêîâàòî âñå ðóëèëîñü.
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Òåìà: Re: Yamaha THR 5 and THR 10
Âðåìÿ: 29.01.2014 22:18 
Dude



 Îáíîâèëñÿ - ïî îùóùåíèÿì ïîêàçàëîñü, ÷òî çâóê òî÷íî ïîëó÷øå ñòàë.
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Òåìà: Re: Yamaha THR 5 and THR 10
Âðåìÿ: 30.01.2014 01:08 
Dude



 ãîñïîäà, ïðîøó ïîäèêàðêà!
Ïîìèìî àïäåéòà óñòàíîâèë çàîäíî thr editor è ïåðâûé ðàç â æèçíè cubase 6al èç êîìïëåêòà.
Òàê âîò, åñëè â ñëó÷àå ñ ýäèòîðîì ñðàçó âñå ïîäêëþ÷èëîñü è ðàñïîçíàëîñü, è ÿ ÷àñèêà ïîëòîðà íåïëîõî ïîäçàëèï, òî êóáàñå âèäèò ñèãíàë ÿìàøè (ïîäêëþ÷åííîé ïî usb) òîëüêî íà ñòàðòå ïðîãðàììû, à â ïðîåêòå íå ðàñïîçíàåò.
Âíèìàíèå, âîïðîñ: ãäå êàêóþ ãàëî÷êó ïîñòàâèòü, ÷òîáû ñèãíàë ÿìàøè øåë íà çàïèñü?
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Yamaha THR 5 and THR 10
Âðåìÿ: 30.01.2014 01:17 
Randall
Ìîñêâà
Fender Am Deluxe ProTools12

 åãî íàäî ÷åðåç èíñòð âûõ ïîäêëþ÷àòü íà ôèçè÷åñêèé âõîä êàðòû.
Film-Post production. Music production. https://vk.com/dygai_band
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Yamaha THR 5 and THR 10
Âðåìÿ: 30.01.2014 01:17 
Randall
Ìîñêâà
Fender Am Deluxe ProTools12

 Êóáèê æå íå ðàáîòàåò ïî þñá åñëè òîëüêî ýòî íå ìèäè êîíòðîëëåð
Film-Post production. Music production. https://vk.com/dygai_band
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Yamaha THR 5 and THR 10
Âðåìÿ: 30.01.2014 01:38 
Dude



 Ñïàñèáî! À êàêîé ðåäàêòîð ðàáîòàåò ïî óñá?
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Yamaha THR 5 and THR 10
Âðåìÿ: 30.01.2014 01:52 
Randall
Ìîñêâà
Fender Am Deluxe ProTools12

 èç ïðîôåññèîíàëüíûõ DAW êîòîðûå ÿ çíàþ íè êàêîé. Îí æå äîëæåí ïî èäåå êàê çâóêîâàÿ êàðòà ïîäêëþ÷àòüñÿ ïî þñá, òîãäà äîëæíî ïðîêàíàòü! Íè ðàçó ñ òàêèì íå ñòàëêèâàëñÿ åñëè ÷åñòíî
Film-Post production. Music production. https://vk.com/dygai_band
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Yamaha THR 5 and THR 10
Âðåìÿ: 30.01.2014 09:35 
k.a.s.
LED
hunter behind heads

 >åãî íàäî ÷åðåç èíñòð âûõ ïîäêëþ÷àòü íà ôèçè÷åñêèé âõîä êàðòû.
íåíå :nono:

ó ìåíÿ âñå ðàáîòàåò ïî usb, ïðè÷åì, ìîæíî ïèñàòü è ñûðîé ñèãíàë è îáðàáîòàííûé êîìáèêîì íà ðàçíûå äîðîãè
âîò îôèöèàëüíûé ÿìàõîâñêèé øàéä ïî íàñòðîéêå:
- How do I get to Carnegie Hall?
- Practice, practice, practice.
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Yamaha THR 5 and THR 10
Âðåìÿ: 30.01.2014 09:54 
Randall
Ìîñêâà
Fender Am Deluxe ProTools12

 Íó çíà÷èò ÿ ïðàâèëüíî ïðåäïîëîæèë. Îí ïðîñòî äîëæåí ïîäêëþ÷àòüñÿ êàê àóäèî óñòðîéñòâî
Film-Post production. Music production. https://vk.com/dygai_band
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Yamaha THR 5 and THR 10
Âðåìÿ: 30.01.2014 10:25 
Dude



 Âîò ÿ è íå íàøåë, ãäå â êóáå îòðàæàþòñÿ óñòðîéñòâà :7: ãëÿíó âèäåî
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Yamaha THR 5 and THR 10
Âðåìÿ: 30.01.2014 10:30 
Randall
Ìîñêâà
Fender Am Deluxe ProTools12

 âêëàäêà äåâàéñåñ âñåãäà áûëà :)
Film-Post production. Music production. https://vk.com/dygai_band
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Yamaha THR 5 and THR 10
Âðåìÿ: 30.01.2014 14:31 
Dude



 Âå÷åðîì áóäó ïðîáîâàòü!
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Yamaha THR 5 and THR 10
Âðåìÿ: 01.02.2014 20:49 
torch5

Strat E Gastelum

 Ïðîøèâêà íå ïîíðàâèëàñü! "Ëó÷øåå - âðàã õîðîøåãî." Êðåïêî îíè âû÷èñòèëè ãàðìîíèêè âìåñòå ñ ãðÿçüþ.
Êîðî÷å ïîõîæå íà íîéçëåñû :4:
Èãðàòü ðèòìè÷íî ýòî ñêó÷íî è ïðåäñêàçóåìî. Êðèâàÿ èãðà îòêðûâàåò îãðîìíûå ãîðèçîíòû âîçìîæíîñòåé. .(Æþâ)
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Yamaha THR 5 and THR 10
Âðåìÿ: 01.02.2014 20:52 
torch5

Strat E Gastelum

 Òåïåðü âîïðîñ ê çíàòîêàì: "Êàê âåðíóòü ýòî áåçîáðàçèå ê èñõîäíèêó"?
Èãðàòü ðèòìè÷íî ýòî ñêó÷íî è ïðåäñêàçóåìî. Êðèâàÿ èãðà îòêðûâàåò îãðîìíûå ãîðèçîíòû âîçìîæíîñòåé. .(Æþâ)
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Yamaha THR 5 and THR 10
Âðåìÿ: 01.02.2014 22:02 
Igarlic
Ìîñêâà
Only Gibson is good enough!

 âîò è ïåðâûé íåäîâîëüíûé))
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Yamaha THR 5 and THR 10
Âðåìÿ: 01.02.2014 22:10 
satix
Ìîñêâà
Offline

 Semenof , äðÿìñ!
Do ye know where the Holy Flamin' Frost-Brand Gronk-Slayin' Vorpal Hammer o' Woundin' an' Returnin' an' Shootin'-Lightnin'-Out-Yer-Bum is?
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Yamaha THR 5 and THR 10
Âðåìÿ: 02.02.2014 14:15 
Dude



 Semenof , ìîæåò ïðîñòî ãåéò îòêëþ÷èòü?
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Yamaha THR 5 and THR 10
Âðåìÿ: 02.02.2014 18:15 
torch5

Strat E Gastelum

 >Semenof , ìîæåò ïðîñòî ãåéò îòêëþ÷èòü?
Ãåéò è ðàíüøå áûë îòêëþ÷åí, çàäóøèëè ñèãíàë.Îáðàòíîé ñâÿçè âîîáùå íåò - íàçûâàåòñÿ "ïðèâåò ïèîíÝðàì"
Èãðàòü ðèòìè÷íî ýòî ñêó÷íî è ïðåäñêàçóåìî. Êðèâàÿ èãðà îòêðûâàåò îãðîìíûå ãîðèçîíòû âîçìîæíîñòåé. .(Æþâ)
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Yamaha THR 5 and THR 10
Âðåìÿ: 02.02.2014 18:42 
Igarlic
Ìîñêâà
Only Gibson is good enough!

 Íå çàìåòèë òàêîãî :4:
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Yamaha THR 5 and THR 10
Âðåìÿ: 02.02.2014 19:02 
torch5

Strat E Gastelum

 Êëèí ñòàë ïðèëè÷íûé, ïåðåãðóç ïðîáîâàë ãðåòü òþáñêðèìåðîì --âñå ðàâíî íå òî
Èãðàòü ðèòìè÷íî ýòî ñêó÷íî è ïðåäñêàçóåìî. Êðèâàÿ èãðà îòêðûâàåò îãðîìíûå ãîðèçîíòû âîçìîæíîñòåé. .(Æþâ)
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Yamaha THR 5 and THR 10
Âðåìÿ: 02.02.2014 19:30 
Alf
Ìîñêâà


 >Êëèí ñòàë ïðèëè÷íûé, ïåðåãðóç ïðîáîâàë ãðåòü òþáñêðèìåðîì --âñå ðàâíî íå òî

Êàê òàì ìîæíî ÷åòà ãðåòü, åñëè ýôôåêòû öèôðîâûå? Èñêàæåíèå êîíå÷íî ïîìåíÿåòñÿ, íî ïåäàëüêè ëó÷øå â ÷èñòûé êàíàë òûêàòü.
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Yamaha THR 5 and THR 10
Âðåìÿ: 02.02.2014 21:38 
torch5

Strat E Gastelum

 >>Êëèí ñòàë ïðèëè÷íûé, ïåðåãðóç ïðîáîâàë ãðåòü òþáñêðèìåðîì --âñå ðàâíî íå òî
>Êàê òàì ìîæíî ÷åòà ãðåòü, åñëè ýôôåêòû öèôðîâûå? Èñêàæåíèå êîíå÷íî ïîìåíÿåòñÿ, íî ïåäàëüêè ëó÷øå â ÷èñòûé êàíàë òûêàòü.
Ëèä âïîëíå ìîæíî ãðåòü,äà è íà áðèòå ïëîòíåå çâóê åñëè íà ñêðèìåðå ãåéí â íîëü.
Èãðàòü ðèòìè÷íî ýòî ñêó÷íî è ïðåäñêàçóåìî. Êðèâàÿ èãðà îòêðûâàåò îãðîìíûå ãîðèçîíòû âîçìîæíîñòåé. .(Æþâ)
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Yamaha THR 5 and THR 10
Âðåìÿ: 03.02.2014 09:38 
k.a.s.
LED
hunter behind heads

 >ïåðåãðóç ïðîáîâàë ãðåòü òþáñêðèìåðîì

>ïåäàëüêè ëó÷øå â ÷èñòûé êàíàë òûêàòü

ðåáçÿ, âû ÷åãî? :upset:
Êàêîå òàì "ãðåòü", ýòî æ äîìàøíèé óñèëèòåëü, ïðåäíàçíà÷åííûé ïðåæäå âñåãî äëÿ çàíÿòèé ïîä ïëååð è èãðó â íàóøíèêàõ, ëèáî òàê, ïîïèëèêàòü âñëàñòü íà äèâàíå.
Íå íàäî îæèäàòü îò ñòóäèéíîãî êà÷åñòâà ýôôåêòîâ îò ïðèáîðà, êîòîðûé ñòîèò êàê îäíà õîðîøàÿ ïåäàëü.
- How do I get to Carnegie Hall?
- Practice, practice, practice.
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Yamaha THR 5 and THR 10
Âðåìÿ: 03.02.2014 09:52 
Igarlic
Ìîñêâà
Only Gibson is good enough!

 k.a.s. , :agree:
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Yamaha THR 5 and THR 10
Âðåìÿ: 03.02.2014 17:23 
Andy T
Ìîñêâà
Jackson SL1/Russtone

 À ÿ âîò ó Ñåðãåÿ ïðî÷èòàë, ïîäóìàë, ìîæåò íå òîðîïèòüñÿ ñ ÿìàõîé ìíå, âîò ýòó øòó÷êó ïîïðîáîâàòü? :idea2:
http://www.muztorg.ru/news_/9817/
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Yamaha THR 5 and THR 10
Âðåìÿ: 03.02.2014 17:45 
Igarlic
Ìîñêâà
Only Gibson is good enough!

 Andy T , ïî ìíå, òàê ýòî îäíî è òî æå.
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Yamaha THR 5 and THR 10
Âðåìÿ: 03.02.2014 20:35 
Alf
Ìîñêâà


 >À ÿ âîò ó Ñåðãåÿ ïðî÷èòàë, ïîäóìàë, ìîæåò íå òîðîïèòüñÿ ñ ÿìàõîé ìíå, âîò ýòó øòó÷êó ïîïðîáîâàòü?
>http://www.muztorg.ru/news_/9817/

êàêîé-òî îí ïîïñîâûé. :1_6:
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Yamaha THR 5 and THR 10
Âðåìÿ: 03.02.2014 21:35 
Andy T
Ìîñêâà
Jackson SL1/Russtone

 Alf , õç, ïîïñîâûé - ïîíÿòèå îòíîñèòåëüíîå. Äðóãîå äåëî - äà, âíåøíå íà ãèòàðíûé óñèëîê íå î÷åíü-òî ïîõîæ))
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Yamaha THR 5 and THR 10
Âðåìÿ: 04.02.2014 09:22 
k.a.s.
LED
hunter behind heads

 >http://www.muztorg.ru/news_/9817/

ßìàõà óñïåøíî ñîçäàëè ñåãìåíò è ñàìè æå åãî çàïîëíèëè ÷óòü áîëåå, ÷åì ïîëíîñòüþ, ñåé÷àñ îñòàëüíûå íà÷íóò îáåçüÿííè÷àòü è ïîäòÿãèâàòüñÿ :golod:
Ìàðêåòèíã, ôèãëå
- How do I get to Carnegie Hall?
- Practice, practice, practice.
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Yamaha THR 5 and THR 10
Âðåìÿ: 04.02.2014 12:06 
Antonio Margaretti
ìîñêâà
Ýëåêòðîãèòàðà

 Èìåþ äàííûé àïïàðàò (thr10)! Â âîñòîðãå!!!
À äàâàéòå îòêðóòèì ãðèô
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Yamaha THR 5 and THR 10
Âðåìÿ: 04.02.2014 12:08 
Andy T
Ìîñêâà
Jackson SL1/Russtone

 k.a.s. , âñå æå õîðîøî áû ãäå-íèòü ñðàâíèòåëüíûé îáçîð íàéòè
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Yamaha THR 5 and THR 10
Âðåìÿ: 05.02.2014 01:17 
Alf
Ìîñêâà


 >Êàêîå òàì "ãðåòü", ýòî æ äîìàøíèé óñèëèòåëü, ïðåäíàçíà÷åííûé ïðåæäå âñåãî äëÿ çàíÿòèé ïîä ïëååð è èãðó â íàóøíèêàõ, ëèáî òàê, ïîïèëèêàòü âñëàñòü íà äèâàíå.
>Íå íàäî îæèäàòü îò ñòóäèéíîãî êà÷åñòâà ýôôåêòîâ îò ïðèáîðà, êîòîðûé ñòîèò êàê îäíà õîðîøàÿ ïåäàëü.

Ïîëíîñòüþ ñîãëàñåí, k.a.s. :agree:
Ñåäíÿ ïûòàëñÿ ïåäàëáîðäîì (òþáñêðèììåð è Ì-1) íàðóëèòü íà ÿìàõå ÷åíèòü îôèãåíñêîå è ÷åðåç ÷àñ áðîñèë ýòó çàòåþ :oooi: Ëó÷øåå - âðàã õîðîøåãî. Âïîëíå ñàìîäîñòàòî÷íûé ïðèáîð è íåõ âûåæèâàòüñÿ, òî, ÷òî åñòü íà áîðòó ÿìàõè âïîëíå õâàòàåò äëÿ äîìà è ðóëèòñÿ áûñòðåé è ëó÷øå.
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Yamaha THR 5 and THR 10
Âðåìÿ: 05.02.2014 10:41 
Andy T
Ìîñêâà
Jackson SL1/Russtone

 Alf , à Ôüþç òóò âûêëàäûâàë âèäåî, îí òàì ãðååò ïåäàëüêàìè ßìàõó, äîâîëüíî ïðèêîëüíî ïîëó÷àåòñÿ
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Yamaha THR 5 and THR 10
Âðåìÿ: 05.02.2014 10:57 
Igarlic
Ìîñêâà
Only Gibson is good enough!

 ß ãðåë wampler plexi drive. Íîðìàëüíî ïîëó÷àëîñü.
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Yamaha THR 5 and THR 10
Âðåìÿ: 05.02.2014 11:40 
GITMAN®
HIMKI
Tele,Strat'û&LP

ñêîðåå âñåãî íåêîòîðóþ îáùåñòâåííîñòü òóò ñìóùàåò ñàìî ñëîâî "ãðåòü", à òàê òî êòî æ ìåøàåò òûêàòü ïåðåä ÿìîé ðàçíûå ïåäàëè, ïî ñóòè òî êàøó ìàñëîì íå èñïîðòèòü, åñëè ñ óìîì,
Moon Strat+Bacchus BLC-57+BTE-54V+Greco SE-600'79+ELEVEN RACK+CRATE V3112T
òåïåðü è Ibanez
Óìíûé ó÷èòñÿ íà ÷óæèõ îøèáêàõ,à äóðàê íà ñâîèõ.(Áóääà)
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Yamaha THR 5 and THR 10
Âðåìÿ: 05.02.2014 11:52 
Igarlic
Ìîñêâà
Only Gibson is good enough!

 Íó òîãäà íàäî âìåñòî "ãðåòü" ïðèäóìàòü òåðìèí äëÿ ÿìàõè)) :smoke:
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Yamaha THR 5 and THR 10
Âðåìÿ: 05.02.2014 15:32 
GITMAN®
HIMKI
Tele,Strat'û&LP

â ÷åì âîò ñóùíîñòü ýòîãî ãðåíèÿ?
ñèíóñ ñ ãèòàðû ïîïàäàåò â ïåäàëü - òàì îí óñèëèâàåòñÿ (òàê æå è âî âõîäíîì êàñêàäå ÿìàõè)- ïîòîì îãðàíè÷èâàåòñÿ, åñëè ýòî ïåðåãðóç/îâåð/äèñò
âîçìîæíî åùå ïðîõîäÿ ÷åðåç RC ôèëüòðû ïîëó÷àåò íåêóþ ýêâàëèçàöèþ (òåìáð),
äàëåå îïÿòü ýòî â ÿìàõå åùå óñèëèâàåòñÿ è åùå îãðàíè÷èâàåòñÿ è åùå ïðîõîäèò ýêâàëèçàöèþ.... íó êàê-òî òàê ïîëó÷àåòñÿ,

òî åñòü åñëè âäóìàòüñÿ â ïðîöåññ òî óñèëèòü/îãðàíè÷èòü+åùå ðàç óñèëèòü/îãðàíè÷èòü = ïîëó÷èì +íåêîòîðûé ýôôåêò êîìïðåññèè, ñóñòåéí ïî èäåå ïðèáàâèòñÿ, âîò è âñÿ êóõíÿ ýòîãî ïðåñëîâóòîãî "ïîäîãðåâà", åñëè ïîðîã âòîðîãî îãðàíè÷èòåëÿ áóäåò íèæå ÷åì ïåðâîãî, ïî èäåå...

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Moon Strat+Bacchus BLC-57+BTE-54V+Greco SE-600'79+ELEVEN RACK+CRATE V3112T
òåïåðü è Ibanez
Óìíûé ó÷èòñÿ íà ÷óæèõ îøèáêàõ,à äóðàê íà ñâîèõ.(Áóääà)
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Òåìà: Re: Yamaha THR 5 and THR 10
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 GITMAN® , Âñ¸ äîõîä÷èâî ðàçëîæèë :idea2:
Áðàòöû ïîäñêàæèòå, êàê ïðîøèâêó âåðíóòü?
Èãðàòü ðèòìè÷íî ýòî ñêó÷íî è ïðåäñêàçóåìî. Êðèâàÿ èãðà îòêðûâàåò îãðîìíûå ãîðèçîíòû âîçìîæíîñòåé. .(Æþâ)
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Òåìà: Re: Yamaha THR 5 and THR 10
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 >íè÷åãî äðóãîãî òàì íåò
ðåàêöèÿ íà ïðåäâàðèòåëüíîå óñèëåíèå/îãðàíè÷åíèå ó ðàçíûõ ëàìïîâûõ êîìáèêîâ-òî ðàçíàÿ, à òóò öèôðîâûå àëãîðèòìû, ñîâñåì äðóãàÿ ñóùíîñòü.
ìíå íå íðàâèòñÿ, êàê ßìàõà çâó÷èò ñ ïåäàëüêàìè

Semenof , ïèøè â ïîääåðæêó.
Do ye know where the Holy Flamin' Frost-Brand Gronk-Slayin' Vorpal Hammer o' Woundin' an' Returnin' an' Shootin'-Lightnin'-Out-Yer-Bum is?
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 >â ÷åì âîò ñóùíîñòü ýòîãî ãðåíèÿ?
>ñèíóñ ñ ãèòàðû ïîïàäàåò â ïåäàëü - òàì îí óñèëèâàåòñÿ (òàê æå è âî âõîäíîì êàñêàäå ÿìàõè)- ïîòîì îãðàíè÷èâàåòñÿ, åñëè ýòî ïåðåãðóç/îâåð/äèñò
>âîçìîæíî åùå ïðîõîäÿ ÷åðåç RC ôèëüòðû ïîëó÷àåò íåêóþ ýêâàëèçàöèþ (òåìáð),
>äàëåå îïÿòü ýòî â ÿìàõå åùå óñèëèâàåòñÿ è åùå îãðàíè÷èâàåòñÿ è åùå ïðîõîäèò ýêâàëèçàöèþ.... íó êàê-òî òàê ïîëó÷àåòñÿ,
>òî åñòü åñëè âäóìàòüñÿ â ïðîöåññ òî óñèëèòü/îãðàíè÷èòü+åùå ðàç óñèëèòü/îãðàíè÷èòü = ïîëó÷èì +íåêîòîðûé ýôôåêò êîìïðåññèè, ñóñòåéí ïî èäåå ïðèáàâèòñÿ, âîò è âñÿ êóõíÿ ýòîãî ïðåñëîâóòîãî "ïîäîãðåâà", åñëè ïîðîã âòîðîãî îãðàíè÷èòåëÿ áóäåò íèæå ÷åì ïåðâîãî, ïî èäåå...
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Íå ïîíèìàþ, ÿ ýòèõ òîíêîñòåé. Êîðî÷å, íàäî âñ¸ ïðîáîâàòü ñàìîìó :idea2:
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