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Çàäàòü íîâóþ òåìó
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Óæå âûêëàäûâàë â äðóãîé òåìå, íî êîììåíòîâ íå áûëî...
Electribe AmkII + Roland TR707(÷åðåç Åðàñîâ FC-1) + Ãèòàðà(ïóñêàë ÷åðåç ñèíò). Äðàììàøèíó è ñèíò ïèñàë ñðàçó ñ ìèêñà... òàê åñòåñòâåííåå...
êîðî÷å, demo: http://ifolder.ru/11005111
"Î-ÎÓ ïðè¸ì...ïîíÿë, Î-ÎÓ...âíèìàíèå Äýéâ! ñèòóàöèÿ Î-ÎÓ...âíèìàíèå íà ïàëóáå! ñèòóàöèÿ Î-ÎÓ!...ïîâòîðèòå ïîñëåäíåå ñîîáùåíèå...Î-ÎÓ, ïðè¸ì...ïîâòîðèòå, âû ñêàçàëè Î-ÎÓ? ïðè¸ì...ïîâòîðÿþ ó íàñ Î-ÎÓ! ïðè¸ì...Äýéâ ó íàñ ñèòóàöèÿ Î-ÎÓ! ýòî íå ó÷åíèÿ!"©SeaLab
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áåç êîììåíòàðèåâ: :icon14:

çàñëóøàëñÿ.îáîæàþ òàêîé áðåä...
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Ñïàñèáî... Âæèâóþ âñ¸ çâó÷èò íà ìíîãî ýôôåêòíåå...

Âîò åù¸ îäíà òåìêà, loFi/shoegaze, òîæå àíàëîã: http://ifolder.ru/11278549
"Î-ÎÓ ïðè¸ì...ïîíÿë, Î-ÎÓ...âíèìàíèå Äýéâ! ñèòóàöèÿ Î-ÎÓ...âíèìàíèå íà ïàëóáå! ñèòóàöèÿ Î-ÎÓ!...ïîâòîðèòå ïîñëåäíåå ñîîáùåíèå...Î-ÎÓ, ïðè¸ì...ïîâòîðèòå, âû ñêàçàëè Î-ÎÓ? ïðè¸ì...ïîâòîðÿþ ó íàñ Î-ÎÓ! ïðè¸ì...Äýéâ ó íàñ ñèòóàöèÿ Î-ÎÓ! ýòî íå ó÷åíèÿ!"©SeaLab
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òîëñòÿ÷îê èç
ñåëà Ïåðåæîïèíî

íó òàê, íåïëîõî. êà÷åñòâî òîëüêî õðîìàåò
Ìíå äîñòàò÷íî áûëî ïîñìîòðåòü,êàê òû ïîñëå ðàçãîâîðîâ î ñâîåé ñóïåð êðóòèçíå,ëåç ïîçîðíî áåñïëàòíî ÷åðåç òóðíèêåò â àâòîáóñå... © zvukovert
áëèí-íàôåã, ïîêà ðàññóæäàë, çàáûë î ÷åì ðå÷ü-òî © Herr_Andrez
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Íó òàê äåìêè...
Õî÷åòñÿ êîíå÷íî æèðíîãî, ÿðêîãî çâóêà... íî ïîêà íåò õîðøåãî êîíäåíñàòîðíèêà, íîðìàëüíîãî óñèëêà è ïðèëè÷íîé çâó÷êè ìîæíî î í¸ì çàáûòü... Ñî ñòð¸ìíûì äèíàìè÷åñêèì âñ¸ êàê òî ïëîñêî, íî âñ¸ æå íå ëèíèÿ...
Äà, åñëè òû ïðî ëèíèþ, ãèòàððèã è âñò, òî ñðàçó ÍÅÒ... íå âåðþ â ñêàçêè ïðî#######è êîíôåòêè...
"Î-ÎÓ ïðè¸ì...ïîíÿë, Î-ÎÓ...âíèìàíèå Äýéâ! ñèòóàöèÿ Î-ÎÓ...âíèìàíèå íà ïàëóáå! ñèòóàöèÿ Î-ÎÓ!...ïîâòîðèòå ïîñëåäíåå ñîîáùåíèå...Î-ÎÓ, ïðè¸ì...ïîâòîðèòå, âû ñêàçàëè Î-ÎÓ? ïðè¸ì...ïîâòîðÿþ ó íàñ Î-ÎÓ! ïðè¸ì...Äýéâ ó íàñ ñèòóàöèÿ Î-ÎÓ! ýòî íå ó÷åíèÿ!"©SeaLab
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À øî òàêîå íþ çèõèÿ?
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Âðåìÿ: 27.03.2009 20:24 
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Monolith ïîíðàâèëîñü
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http://zihia.org








































Ðàíüøå òàì áûë èíòåðåñíûé ôîðóì, ìíîãî èíôîðìàöèè î ÿçû÷åñòâå...
à ñåé÷àñ... âîò...
íåò, íó îñòàâèëè êîå-÷òî...
íàäåþñü áûâøåìó àäìèíó äæèõàä íå ïðîïèñàëè...
"Î-ÎÓ ïðè¸ì...ïîíÿë, Î-ÎÓ...âíèìàíèå Äýéâ! ñèòóàöèÿ Î-ÎÓ...âíèìàíèå íà ïàëóáå! ñèòóàöèÿ Î-ÎÓ!...ïîâòîðèòå ïîñëåäíåå ñîîáùåíèå...Î-ÎÓ, ïðè¸ì...ïîâòîðèòå, âû ñêàçàëè Î-ÎÓ? ïðè¸ì...ïîâòîðÿþ ó íàñ Î-ÎÓ! ïðè¸ì...Äýéâ ó íàñ ñèòóàöèÿ Î-ÎÓ! ýòî íå ó÷åíèÿ!"©SeaLab
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ìíå íå ïîíðàâèëîñü :4:
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:cowboy:
"Î-ÎÓ ïðè¸ì...ïîíÿë, Î-ÎÓ...âíèìàíèå Äýéâ! ñèòóàöèÿ Î-ÎÓ...âíèìàíèå íà ïàëóáå! ñèòóàöèÿ Î-ÎÓ!...ïîâòîðèòå ïîñëåäíåå ñîîáùåíèå...Î-ÎÓ, ïðè¸ì...ïîâòîðèòå, âû ñêàçàëè Î-ÎÓ? ïðè¸ì...ïîâòîðÿþ ó íàñ Î-ÎÓ! ïðè¸ì...Äýéâ ó íàñ ñèòóàöèÿ Î-ÎÓ! ýòî íå ó÷åíèÿ!"©SeaLab
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òðýê íåäóð¸í! òîëüêî ÷åãî òàì â í¸ì îò àíàëîãà íå ïîíÿòíî... åñëè óñèëèòåëü òîëüêî - äðàìàøèíêà íàîáîðîò ïðèäåëüíî öèôðîâàÿ, íî ýò ÿ òàê ïðèäèðàþñü - çâó÷èò âñ¸ ëîó-ôàé êàê è òðåáóåò æàíð
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Ìîñêâà


êàêîé-òî áåçãðàìîòíûé ïîñò âûøåë ó ìåíÿ...
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êàê ïîíÿòü "÷òî îò àíàëîãà"?... :7: ýòî îí è åñòü...
âû òàì ñî ñâîèìè âñòõàìè ñîâñåì óæå... :headbang:
ïèñàë âñ¸ ñ ìèêðîôîíà... äðàììàøèíà 87ãî ãîäà, ïóñêàë ÷åðåç ãèòàðíûå äèñòû... ñèíò - òîæå àíàëîã... ÷èòàé âíèìàòåëüíåå ïåðâûé ïîñò, ÿæ âåñü àïàðàò óêàçàë... :deal:
åäèíñòâåííîå â ÷åì êàþñü, ïóñêàë ëóïû ÷åðåç äðóãîé êàíàë çâóêîâóõè, èáî ñýìïëåðà íåòó...
"Î-ÎÓ ïðè¸ì...ïîíÿë, Î-ÎÓ...âíèìàíèå Äýéâ! ñèòóàöèÿ Î-ÎÓ...âíèìàíèå íà ïàëóáå! ñèòóàöèÿ Î-ÎÓ!...ïîâòîðèòå ïîñëåäíåå ñîîáùåíèå...Î-ÎÓ, ïðè¸ì...ïîâòîðèòå, âû ñêàçàëè Î-ÎÓ? ïðè¸ì...ïîâòîðÿþ ó íàñ Î-ÎÓ! ïðè¸ì...Äýéâ ó íàñ ñèòóàöèÿ Î-ÎÓ! ýòî íå ó÷åíèÿ!"©SeaLab
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×åðò! Àâòàð, ñîðå, íå òî îòêðûë è íå òâîé ñàóíä ïîñëóøàë.

áåðó ñâîè ñëîâà îò 29.03.2009 13:03 îáðàòíî, î÷åíü èíòåðåñíûå çàäóìêè, íî ïîðàáîòàé íåìíîãî íàä êà÷åñòâîì çàïèñè
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Óõóóó!!!! :dance1: áåðó ñâîåãî êàâáîÿ îò 29.03.2009 15:15 îáðàòíî... :oooi:
"Î-ÎÓ ïðè¸ì...ïîíÿë, Î-ÎÓ...âíèìàíèå Äýéâ! ñèòóàöèÿ Î-ÎÓ...âíèìàíèå íà ïàëóáå! ñèòóàöèÿ Î-ÎÓ!...ïîâòîðèòå ïîñëåäíåå ñîîáùåíèå...Î-ÎÓ, ïðè¸ì...ïîâòîðèòå, âû ñêàçàëè Î-ÎÓ? ïðè¸ì...ïîâòîðÿþ ó íàñ Î-ÎÓ! ïðè¸ì...Äýéâ ó íàñ ñèòóàöèÿ Î-ÎÓ! ýòî íå ó÷åíèÿ!"©SeaLab
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:lol:
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åäèíñòâåííîå â ÷åì êàþñü, ïóñêàë ëóïû ÷åðåç äðóãîé êàíàë çâóêîâóõè, èáî ñýìïëåðà íåòó... - ýòî ÿ êî âòîðîé...


êà÷åñòâî... êà÷åñòâî...

âòîðàÿ òåìà
âîò òàì êà÷åñòâî äåéñòâèòåëüíî :oooi:
"Î-ÎÓ ïðè¸ì...ïîíÿë, Î-ÎÓ...âíèìàíèå Äýéâ! ñèòóàöèÿ Î-ÎÓ...âíèìàíèå íà ïàëóáå! ñèòóàöèÿ Î-ÎÓ!...ïîâòîðèòå ïîñëåäíåå ñîîáùåíèå...Î-ÎÓ, ïðè¸ì...ïîâòîðèòå, âû ñêàçàëè Î-ÎÓ? ïðè¸ì...ïîâòîðÿþ ó íàñ Î-ÎÓ! ïðè¸ì...Äýéâ ó íàñ ñèòóàöèÿ Î-ÎÓ! ýòî íå ó÷åíèÿ!"©SeaLab
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äðóæèùå òðýê ìíå òâîé ïîðàâèëñÿ)))

âñòóõè òû ïðèïë¸ë îïðîìåò÷èâî

1987ã ñàìûé ðàñöâåò ýïîõè öèôðîâûõ ìàøèí

âîò ÷èòàé - http://www.vintagesynth.com/roland/707.php âûäåðæêà -

" Sample Playback/Acoustic Simulation. Drum sounds are 8-bit, Crash & Ride are 6-bit."

electribe ea mk2 âàùå âèðòóàëêà

ýò ÿ òàê äëÿ ïðîñâÿùåíèÿ http://www.electribe.ru/index.php?pribor=3

òû òàê ãðóáî ñðåàãèðîâàë, à ÿ ïîâåðü âíèìàòåëüíûé ïåðñîíàæ - âîò ðåøèë òåáå íàïèñàòü

ïðîñòî ñ íàñòîÿùèì àíàëîãîâûì äðîíîì ýòî äàæå áëèçêî ðÿäîì íå ñòîèò, çàòî íà ïðèêîëüíûé ëî-ôàé òÿíåò î÷åíü äàæå
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ïðîìåííà òàð÷à

äà, ÿ óæå ïîíÿë ñ êåì ñâÿçàëñÿ....
íàì ñ÷åò äðàììàøèíû óáåäèë...
à íà ñ÷åò ýëèêà, äà ïîä ïîòåíöèîìåòðû ïðîñëîéêà ìèäþøíàÿ, íî ãåíåðàòîðíàÿ ÷àñòü õîòÿáû?...

à äðîóí ÿ âîîáùå èìåë ââèäó ãèòàðíûé...
à åù¸ ÿ ë-î-õ...
:oooi: :oooi: :oooi: :oooi: :oooi: :oooi:
Ë-Î-Î-Î-Î-Î-Õ...
êîíêðåòíî òû ìåíÿ :oops:

ïîéäó óòîïëþñü â ÷¸ðíîì ìîðå...
"Î-ÎÓ ïðè¸ì...ïîíÿë, Î-ÎÓ...âíèìàíèå Äýéâ! ñèòóàöèÿ Î-ÎÓ...âíèìàíèå íà ïàëóáå! ñèòóàöèÿ Î-ÎÓ!...ïîâòîðèòå ïîñëåäíåå ñîîáùåíèå...Î-ÎÓ, ïðè¸ì...ïîâòîðèòå, âû ñêàçàëè Î-ÎÓ? ïðè¸ì...ïîâòîðÿþ ó íàñ Î-ÎÓ! ïðè¸ì...Äýéâ ó íàñ ñèòóàöèÿ Î-ÎÓ! ýòî íå ó÷åíèÿ!"©SeaLab
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íå ýëèê âèðòóàëüíûé àíàëîã... ìàøèíà âåëèêîëåïíàÿ êîíå÷íî, íî ãåíèðàòîð òàì dsp, è ôèëüòðû òîæ, ÷òî âîáùåì íèêàê å¸ íå ïîðòèò.

Âòîðîé òâîé òðýê ïîíðàâèëñÿ áîëüøå.

Êñòàòè 707 òâîé ìîæíî î÷ ïðèêîëüíî ìîäèôèöèðîâàòü - äëÿ âñÿêèõ ýêñïåðèìåíòîâ îòïàäíî áóäåò íàïðèìåð âîò âàðèàíòèê - http://www.vimeo.com/1695507?pg=embed&sec=1695507
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Âðåìÿ: 31.03.2009 20:10 
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ïðîìåííà òàð÷à

ñîðå çà ôëåéì... :pardon: :18: :19:
ÿ àñ¸ë...

ïèñ? :agree:

âî âòîðîé ÿ ïðîñòî ïðîãîíÿë ãèòàðíûå ëóïû ÷åðåç ïóëüò ïî íåñêîëüêó ðàç, ìåíÿÿ ýêâàëèçàöèè...
ðàç óæ íà òî äåëî ïîøëî, :19: íå ïîäñêàæåøü âîçìîæíî ëè íà ýëèêå îáîéòè ïåðâè÷íîñòü òðèããåðîâ êîãäà ñèãíàë ÷åðåç ïóñêàåøü?...
"Î-ÎÓ ïðè¸ì...ïîíÿë, Î-ÎÓ...âíèìàíèå Äýéâ! ñèòóàöèÿ Î-ÎÓ...âíèìàíèå íà ïàëóáå! ñèòóàöèÿ Î-ÎÓ!...ïîâòîðèòå ïîñëåäíåå ñîîáùåíèå...Î-ÎÓ, ïðè¸ì...ïîâòîðèòå, âû ñêàçàëè Î-ÎÓ? ïðè¸ì...ïîâòîðÿþ ó íàñ Î-ÎÓ! ïðè¸ì...Äýéâ ó íàñ ñèòóàöèÿ Î-ÎÓ! ýòî íå ó÷åíèÿ!"©SeaLab
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ïèñ!))

ñëóøàé ó ìåíÿ esx - íà í¸ì ìîæíî, íàâåðíÿêà íà ea òîæå, ïîñìîòðè íà electribe.ru òàì ÷óâàêè áîëüøå â òåìå äà è â àðõèâå ïîëþáàñ ïðî ýòî åñòü)
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Âðåìÿ: 31.03.2009 22:48 
âàðøàâà
ïðîìåííà òàð÷à

òàì äîâîëëüíî òèõî... ÷àñòî çàãëÿäûâàþ... íî òàêèì òàêèì íå çàíèìàþòñÿ...
Íàêðóòèë òîëüêî îäèí ñêâîçíîé çâóê îòñå÷êîé(äîâîëüíî ñî÷íûé ãèòàðíûé âèíòàæ-êâàê) :guitarit: , ïîñòàâèë 20bmp... çâóê ïîêàòûé, ñãëàæèâàåò... îò íåãî è ïðûãàþ...
à ñ îñòàëüíûìè - âñ¸ îáðûâ òðèããåðû äàþò(íà áîëüøîé ñêîðñòè íà òðåììîëî ïîõîæå)

esx-ýòî òèïà òóðáî-ñýìïëåð ñ ëàìïîé íà âûõîäíîì êàñêàäå? :elektro:
"Î-ÎÓ ïðè¸ì...ïîíÿë, Î-ÎÓ...âíèìàíèå Äýéâ! ñèòóàöèÿ Î-ÎÓ...âíèìàíèå íà ïàëóáå! ñèòóàöèÿ Î-ÎÓ!...ïîâòîðèòå ïîñëåäíåå ñîîáùåíèå...Î-ÎÓ, ïðè¸ì...ïîâòîðèòå, âû ñêàçàëè Î-ÎÓ? ïðè¸ì...ïîâòîðÿþ ó íàñ Î-ÎÓ! ïðè¸ì...Äýéâ ó íàñ ñèòóàöèÿ Î-ÎÓ! ýòî íå ó÷åíèÿ!"©SeaLab
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Âðåìÿ: 01.04.2009 00:36 
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íó äà - ìåãà òóðáî, î÷åíü ïðîáèâíîé äåâàéñ))

íà ýëåêòðàéáå ëþáûìè äåëàìè çàíèìàþòüñÿ ýòî òû çðÿ))) ñïðîñèò óæ òî÷íî ìîæíî

íà esx î÷åíü ïðîñòî äåëàòü îáðàáîòêó âíåøíåãî ñèãíàëà, íî êàê ýòî äåëàòü íà åà íå çíàþ, íå ïîëüçîâàë åãî...
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: àíàëîãîâûé industrial/shoegaze/drone
Âðåìÿ: 01.04.2009 00:42 
âàðøàâà
ïðîìåííà òàð÷à

ÿ äâà ðàçà ðåãèëñÿ íè ðàçó íå ïóñòèëè... :dance1:
çàòî ñîîáùåíèÿ ñ èçâèíåíèÿìè î íåïîëàäêàõ ïðèõîäÿò...
ÿ äàæå îòâåòèòü õîòåë...
"Î-ÎÓ ïðè¸ì...ïîíÿë, Î-ÎÓ...âíèìàíèå Äýéâ! ñèòóàöèÿ Î-ÎÓ...âíèìàíèå íà ïàëóáå! ñèòóàöèÿ Î-ÎÓ!...ïîâòîðèòå ïîñëåäíåå ñîîáùåíèå...Î-ÎÓ, ïðè¸ì...ïîâòîðèòå, âû ñêàçàëè Î-ÎÓ? ïðè¸ì...ïîâòîðÿþ ó íàñ Î-ÎÓ! ïðè¸ì...Äýéâ ó íàñ ñèòóàöèÿ Î-ÎÓ! ýòî íå ó÷åíèÿ!"©SeaLab
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: àíàëîãîâûé industrial/shoegaze/drone
Âðåìÿ: 01.04.2009 00:51 
âàðøàâà
ïðîìåííà òàð÷à

íà åà âõîäíîé ñèãíàë òèïî âìåñòî âòîðîãî îñöèëÿòîðà...
â ÷åì âñÿ è ïðîáëåìà...
à åñëè áðàòü çâóê îïðåäåë¸ííîé âûñîòû à íå ðàñêëàäêó, òî ïðè èãðå ïðèõîäèòñÿ ïîäñòðàèâàòüñÿ.... òîæå íå àéñ, ïîñòîÿííî ñëåäèøü çà ãåðëÿíäîé... :pardon:
"Î-ÎÓ ïðè¸ì...ïîíÿë, Î-ÎÓ...âíèìàíèå Äýéâ! ñèòóàöèÿ Î-ÎÓ...âíèìàíèå íà ïàëóáå! ñèòóàöèÿ Î-ÎÓ!...ïîâòîðèòå ïîñëåäíåå ñîîáùåíèå...Î-ÎÓ, ïðè¸ì...ïîâòîðèòå, âû ñêàçàëè Î-ÎÓ? ïðè¸ì...ïîâòîðÿþ ó íàñ Î-ÎÓ! ïðè¸ì...Äýéâ ó íàñ ñèòóàöèÿ Î-ÎÓ! ýòî íå ó÷åíèÿ!"©SeaLab
 ýòîò ôîðóì ìîãóò ïèñàòü òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûå ïîëüçîâàòåëè!