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Ãèïñàí ñòàíäàðò

Èíòåðåñóåò ìíåíèÿ òåõ êòî ùóïàë îáå ãèòàðû íàñêîëüêî îíè ðàçíûå â ÷åì îòëè÷èÿ è ò.ä. è ò.ï.
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Âðåìÿ: 06.11.2011 15:39 
Ìîñêâà


http://www.musicforums.ru/guitar_arc/browse_thread.php?bn=mfor_guitararc&thread=1190646786&replies=35
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Òåìà: Re: gibson exploierer vs esp exploirer
Âðåìÿ: 06.11.2011 16:04 
Íèæíåâàðòîâñê
Fender Strat+ '90/Fender RK Tele/Jackson USA

>http://www.musicforums.ru/guitar_arc/browse_threa d.php?bn=mfor_guitararc&thread=1190646786&replies= 35
÷¸òî â òåìå êðîìå ïåðäåæà â áåñêîíå÷íîñòü íè÷åãî íåò
"a volume knob on any guitar basically gives you an infinite number of amp channels" (c) G.Govan.
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Òåìà: Re: gibson exploierer vs esp exploirer
Âðåìÿ: 06.11.2011 16:37 
Ìîñêâà
Ñòðàòû è áóñòåðà

Ýòè ãèòàðû äëÿ Õåòâåëäîâ
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Òåìà: Re: gibson exploierer vs esp exploirer
Âðåìÿ: 06.11.2011 16:46 
Ìîñêâà
Ðóêè è çóáû

Óõ!
ïî ññûëêå óçíàë òîêà ëèçïóëÿ è ñëîíîïîòàìà à îñòàëüíûå õç êòî)) ìåíÿåòñÿ âðåìÿ ìåíÿåòñÿ ëþäè :)
!äëÿ äåòõà êóïè çîìáó!
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Òåìà: Re: gibson exploierer vs esp exploirer
Âðåìÿ: 06.11.2011 17:03 
??????
?????????????

>Èíòåðåñóåò ìíåíèÿ òåõ êòî ùóïàë îáå ãèòàðû íàñêîëüêî îíè ðàçíûå â ÷åì îòëè÷èÿ è ò.ä. è ò.ï.
Ãèáñîí.Åñï âðîäå äåëàåò ïîàêêóðàòíåé,íî ïðîöåíò ì¸ðòâîçâó÷àùèõ èíñòðóìåíòîâ âûøå,÷åì ó ãèáñîíà.Ïî óäîáñòâó òîæå ãèáñîí.+åñï â òîì ÷òî ãîðàçäî áîëüøå ìîäåëåé íà ýòó òåìó ïðåäëîãàþò.Åù¸ åñòü êàñòîì øîï.Ó ãèáñîí ýòî ëèìèòèðîâàííîå èçäàíèå è íåò îáû÷íîãî êàñòîì øîïà.Òîëüêî ïîä ñïåö ìîäåëè,åù¸ âñÿêèå ïåðèçäàíèÿ,äëß Çâ¨çÄ.
Ibanez rg-XOTIC XW-1 WAH-EH pitch fork-korg tuner- ??????-mesa dual rectifier(???? ??? ??????)
Modern Thrash metal band Ispepelator
Thrash `Till Death
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Òåìà: Re: gibson exploierer vs esp exploirer
Âðåìÿ: 06.11.2011 17:52 

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Gibsonjumpgio , à òû ñàì ùóïàë õîòü îäíó? çâóê âåäü âåùü ñóáúåêòèâíàÿ. ùàñ íàãîâîðÿò òóò :pitka: áåðè ýäâàðö :idea2:
Çàíÿòèÿ õåð*åé íà ðàáî÷åì ìåñòå ðàçâèâàåò áîêîâîå çðåíèå, ñëóõ, ðåàêöèþ è áäèòåëüíîñòü â öåëîì :gigi:
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Òåìà: Re: gibson exploierer vs esp exploirer
Âðåìÿ: 06.11.2011 18:46 
Ìîñêâà


ó ìåíÿ, êñòàòè, áûë øàìðàåâñêèé ýêñïëîðåð èç áðàçèëüñêîãî ìàõàãîíà, êîòîðûé çâó÷àë âåñüìà óáåäèòåëüíî è ïðîèçâîäèë âïå÷àòëåíèå äåéñòâèòåëüíî ñåðü¸çíîé ãèòàðû.
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Òåìà: Re: gibson exploierer vs esp exploirer
Âðåìÿ: 06.11.2011 18:47 
Ìàñòåð æåñòîêèõ èãð


>ó ìåíÿ, êñòàòè, áûë øàìðàåâñêèé ýêñïëîðåð èç áðàçèëüñêîãî ìàõàãîíà, êîòîðûé çâó÷àë âåñüìà óáåäèòåëüíî è ïðîèçâîäèë âïå÷àòëåíèå äåéñòâèòåëüíî ñåðü¸çíîé ãèòàðû.
Âàùå íå àðãóìåíò. :4:
Ó Ìàëüìñòèíà ñåêðåò àðïåäæèî â ðû÷àãå. Îí èì ñêîðîñòè ïåðåêëþ÷àåò.
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Òåìà: Re: gibson exploierer vs esp exploirer
Âðåìÿ: 06.11.2011 19:15 
Ìîñêâà


>Âàùå íå àðãóìåíò.
ïðè ó÷¸òå, ÷òî îíà ñòîèëà 300-400 áà÷åé, õîòÿ â íåé áûëè íåêîòîðûå êîñÿêè è ýòî áûëà îäíà èç ïåðâûõ øàìðàåâñêèõ ãèòàð, ÿ ñäåëàë âûâîä, ÷òî ïî êðàéíåé ìåðå äåðåâî îíè ñóøàò íà ñîâåñòü.
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Òåìà: Re: gibson exploierer vs esp exploirer
Âðåìÿ: 06.11.2011 19:20 



ëó÷øèé ýêñïëîåð - ýòî äæåêñàí êåëëè
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Òåìà: Re: gibson exploierer vs esp exploirer
Âðåìÿ: 06.11.2011 19:40 
Ìîñêâà


ëó÷øèé ýêñïëîðåð - ýòî ôîðä
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Òåìà: Re: gibson exploierer vs esp exploirer
Âðåìÿ: 06.11.2011 20:14 
??????
?????????????

>ëó÷øèé ýêñïëîåð - ýòî äæåêñàí êåëëè
:005:

>ëó÷øèé ýêñïëîðåð - ýòî ôîðä
Åù¸ âèíäîâñ âñïîìíè.
Ibanez rg-XOTIC XW-1 WAH-EH pitch fork-korg tuner- ??????-mesa dual rectifier(???? ??? ??????)
Modern Thrash metal band Ispepelator
Thrash `Till Death
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Òåìà: Re: gibson exploierer vs esp exploirer
Âðåìÿ: 06.11.2011 21:56 
woodS
Gibson ♫

_VectoR_ , çàòî ó íàñ ìîæíî ãîâîðèòü áàñóøåíüêà :deal:
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Òåìà: Re: gibson exploierer vs esp exploirer
Âðåìÿ: 06.11.2011 22:15 
Ñïá
Êîðåéñêåé ËýÒýÄý ÌÍ-1000

Ìåëüêîì òàê ïîñìîòðåë... ó ÅÑÏ(êîòîðûé ÅÕ) ãðèô èç êëåíà. :idea2: À ïî âíåøíåìó âèäó îáà êàë, èáî ãðèô áåç îêàíòîâêè. :lol: Íó è ÿá òàêè ãèïñàí âçÿë(õîòÿ è ôîíàä åñï). :idea2:
Êîãäà ïûòàåøüñÿ ñìîòðåòü íà âåùè òðåçâî, íåâîëüíî âîçíèêàåò æåëàíèå âûïèòü. (ñ) Âåëèêèé ÂÖ
Åñòü òàêàÿ ïðîôåññèÿ - ñåáÿ îò Ðîäèíû çàùèùàòü.. (c)

Zoebeast. Russian grind z-squad.
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Òåìà: Re: gibson exploierer vs esp exploirer
Âðåìÿ: 06.11.2011 22:18 
Ñïá
Êîðåéñêåé ËýÒýÄý ÌÍ-1000

Âîîîî, íàøåë! ß æå ãîâîðþ : íàñòîÿùèé ìèòàë òîëüêî ñ îêàíòîâêîé èãðàåòñÿ! :lol:
http://www2.gibson.com/Products/Electric-Guitars/Explorer/Gibson-USA/Dethklok-Thunderhorse-Explorer.aspx
Êîãäà ïûòàåøüñÿ ñìîòðåòü íà âåùè òðåçâî, íåâîëüíî âîçíèêàåò æåëàíèå âûïèòü. (ñ) Âåëèêèé ÂÖ
Åñòü òàêàÿ ïðîôåññèÿ - ñåáÿ îò Ðîäèíû çàùèùàòü.. (c)

Zoebeast. Russian grind z-squad.
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Òåìà: Re: gibson exploierer vs esp exploirer
Âðåìÿ: 07.11.2011 00:18 
Âëàäèìèð


>http://www.musicforums.ru/guitar_arc/browse_threa d.php?bn=mfor_guitararc&thread=1190646786&replies= 35
à êóäà ×åêàíîã äåëñÿ êñòàòè?
èãðàþ â ëèíèþ
Êàæäûé ìóæèê äîëæåí óìåòü ðàçáèðàòü è ñîáèðàòü ñâîé ãèòàð ñ çàâÿçàííûìè ãëàçàìè è âî ñíå :idea2: ©Karimich
À êîðò ñ èáàíåçîì âîîáùå ïîäðàçäåëåíèÿ åâðîñåòè©
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Òåìà: Re: gibson exploierer vs esp exploirer
Âðåìÿ: 07.11.2011 04:41 
Òàãàíðîã
Àýðîóïðóãîñòü

À ìíå Ãèïñ Ýêñïëîðåð ïîíðàâèëñÿ! Ïåðâîå âïå÷àòëåíèå - òàêàÿ äóáèíà íåîò¸ñàííàÿ, íî çâó÷àë èíñòðóìåíò î÷åíü ìîùíî! Ïðè ÷¸ì â îòëè÷èå îò ËÏ ó íåãî çâóê áîëåå ðåçêèé, ÷òîëè, ïðîðåçàþùèé.  ëîá ñ ÅÑÏ íå ñðàâíèâàë, íî Ãèïñ ìíå ïîíðàâèëñÿ! :idea2:
ÏÀÎ "ÒÀÍÒÊ èì. Ã. Ì. Áåðèåâà", ÎÊÁ
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Òåìà: Re: gibson exploierer vs esp exploirer
Âðåìÿ: 07.11.2011 06:28 

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>À ìíå Ãèïñ Ýêñïëîðåð ïîíðàâèëñÿ! Ïåðâîå âïå÷àòëåíèå - òàêàÿ äóáèíà íåîò¸ñàííàÿ, íî çâó÷àë èíñòðóìåíò î÷åíü ìîùíî!
à åùå îí óäîáíûé è ïðè ñîáëþäåíèè ïðàâèë ýêñïëóàòàöèè äàåò +ìèëüåí ê êðóòîñòè :idea2: :dur_486:
Çàíÿòèÿ õåð*åé íà ðàáî÷åì ìåñòå ðàçâèâàåò áîêîâîå çðåíèå, ñëóõ, ðåàêöèþ è áäèòåëüíîñòü â öåëîì :gigi:
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Òåìà: Re: gibson exploierer vs esp exploirer
Âðåìÿ: 07.11.2011 07:07 
Ìîñêâà
Guitar

ó ìåíÿ äðóã â åêá, ôîíàä êàê è ÿ æàêåñà, íî îòíîñèòåëüíî íåäàâíî êóïèë ãèïñàíà ýêñïëîðåðà è òåïåðü êîíöåðòû íà íåì ###ÿðèò) î ÷åì òî äà ãîâîðèò. Åãî ìíåíèå ïàëêà ìîùü!)
à åñï íå òðó :idea2:
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Òåìà: Re: gibson exploierer vs esp exploirer
Âðåìÿ: 07.11.2011 08:24 
Äàâàéäîñâèäàíèÿ
ïðîïèñüêà ìîÿ

Åñï ïî ìíå áîëüøå òðóÚ, ÷åì ãèáñàíû
ß íå Îëåã è íå Ñòåïàí
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Òåìà: Re: gibson exploierer vs esp exploirer
Âðåìÿ: 07.11.2011 08:30 
Ìîñêâà
Guitar

>Åñï ïî ìíå áîëüøå òðóÚ, ÷åì ãèáñàíû
:7:
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Òåìà: Re: gibson exploierer vs esp exploirer
Âðåìÿ: 07.11.2011 09:40 

Dean Vendetta 7str

>à åùå îí óäîáíûé è ïðè ñîáëþäåíèè ïðàâèë ýêñïëóàòàöèè äàåò +ìèëüåí ê êðóòîñòè

îäíî èç ýòèõ ïðàâèë: øîá íà éàéòñàõ âèñåë!!!!!! :dur_486:
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Òåìà: Re: gibson exploierer vs esp exploirer
Âðåìÿ: 07.11.2011 09:41 
Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
Ãèòàðà

>îäíî èç ýòèõ ïðàâèë: øîá íà éàéòñàõ âèñåë!!!!!!
À ìíå êàê ó Ýäæà íðàâèòñÿ.
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Òåìà: Re: gibson exploierer vs esp exploirer
Âðåìÿ: 07.11.2011 09:47 
Íèæíåâàðòîâñê
Fender Strat+ '90/Fender RK Tele/Jackson USA

>>Åñï ïî ìíå áîëüøå òðóÚ, ÷åì ãèáñàíû
Íå îáðàùàé âíèìàíèå, ýòî òðîëîòà ìåñòíàÿ :idea2:
"a volume knob on any guitar basically gives you an infinite number of amp channels" (c) G.Govan.
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Òåìà: Re: gibson exploierer vs esp exploirer
Âðåìÿ: 07.11.2011 10:09 
Íèæíåâàðòîâñê
Fender Strat+ '90/Fender RK Tele/Jackson USA

>ëó÷øèé ýêñïëîåð - ýòî äæåêñàí êåëëè
:7:
"a volume knob on any guitar basically gives you an infinite number of amp channels" (c) G.Govan.
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Òåìà: Re: gibson exploierer vs esp exploirer
Âðåìÿ: 07.11.2011 14:16 
??????
?????????????

Êñòàòè ÷¸ òàì ñ ðåéäîì íà ãèáñîí?Âðîäå âñ¸ óòðÿñëîñü?
Ibanez rg-XOTIC XW-1 WAH-EH pitch fork-korg tuner- ??????-mesa dual rectifier(???? ??? ??????)
Modern Thrash metal band Ispepelator
Thrash `Till Death
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Òåìà: Re: gibson exploierer vs esp exploirer
Âðåìÿ: 07.11.2011 14:27 



>Êñòàòè ÷¸ òàì ñ ðåéäîì íà ãèáñîí?Âðîäå âñ¸ óòðÿñëîñü?

äà, âñå äðóæíî ïîåõàëè íà ñêëàä Äæåêà Äýíèåëñà :alko_2464:
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Òåìà: Re: gibson exploierer vs esp exploirer
Âðåìÿ: 07.11.2011 23:24 
??????
?????????????

>>Êñòàòè ÷¸ òàì ñ ðåéäîì íà ãèáñîí?Âðîäå âñ¸ óòðÿñëîñü?
>äà, âñå äðóæíî ïîåõàëè íà ñêëàä Äæåêà Äýíèåëñà
À åñëè áåç ìåñòíîãî èäèîòèçìà è òóïûõ ïðèêîëîâ?
Ibanez rg-XOTIC XW-1 WAH-EH pitch fork-korg tuner- ??????-mesa dual rectifier(???? ??? ??????)
Modern Thrash metal band Ispepelator
Thrash `Till Death
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Òåìà: Re: gibson exploierer vs esp exploirer
Âðåìÿ: 08.11.2011 04:27 
Òàãàíðîã
Àýðîóïðóãîñòü

>à åùå îí óäîáíûé è ïðè ñîáëþäåíèè ïðàâèë ýêñïëóàòàöèè äàåò +ìèëüåí ê êðóòîñòè

>îäíî èç ýòèõ ïðàâèë: øîá íà éàéòñàõ âèñåë!!!!!!

Âû áàðàíû, ìëÿ!)))
Ðåàëüíî ïðèêîëüíàÿ ãèòàðà è ïîõ íà "ìèëü¸í êðó÷åñòè ïðè âèñåíèè íà éàéòñàõ"!
ß âîîáùå ñàì íå î÷åíü ëþáëþ óãëîâàòûå ôîðìû, íî ðåàëüíî Ýêñïëîðåð ìíå ïîíðàâèëñÿ çâóêîì. Ó íåãî è àêêóñòè÷åñêèé çâóê êñòàòå òîæå ïðèêîëüíûé!
Êñòàòå íà ñ÷¸ò óäîáíîñòè - ÿá íå ñêàçàë, ÷òî Ýêñ ýòàëîí ýðãàíîìèêè, íî òåì íå ìåíåå ýòî îòëè÷íàÿ ãèòàðà! :idea2:
ÏÀÎ "ÒÀÍÒÊ èì. Ã. Ì. Áåðèåâà", ÎÊÁ
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Òåìà: Re: gibson exploierer vs esp exploirer
Âðåìÿ: 08.11.2011 04:30 
Òàãàíðîã
Àýðîóïðóãîñòü

>Åñï ïî ìíå áîëüøå òðóÚ, ÷åì ãèáñàíû

Íåêóé âñÿêóþ ýìî-ãîòî õðåíü ñëóøàòü... À ÝËÒÝÄÝ - ýòî âàùå òîãäà àáà#####ñÿ ñðåäè ïóñòûíè íàâåðíî...?)
ÏÀÎ "ÒÀÍÒÊ èì. Ã. Ì. Áåðèåâà", ÎÊÁ
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Òåìà: Re: gibson exploierer vs esp exploirer
Âðåìÿ: 08.11.2011 06:42 
Ìîñêâà
Guitar

>>Åñï ïî ìíå áîëüøå òðóÚ, ÷åì ãèáñàíû
>Íåêóé âñÿêóþ ýìî-ãîòî õðåíü ñëóøàòü... À ÝËÒÝÄÝ - ýòî âàùå òîãäà àáà#####ñÿ ñðåäè ïóñòûíè íàâåðíî...?)
:agree: âàùå ïîääåðæèâàþ :alc:
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Òåìà: Re: gibson exploierer vs esp exploirer
Âðåìÿ: 08.11.2011 07:04 
Íèæíåâàðòîâñê
Fender Strat+ '90/Fender RK Tele/Jackson USA

Excalibure , Jahman , :sm001:
"a volume knob on any guitar basically gives you an infinite number of amp channels" (c) G.Govan.
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Ñîâåòñêàÿ ãàâàíü
Ýëåêòðîáàëàëàéêà 6 ñòðóí 2 ãðèôà,ïàëêà ñ ëåñêîé,êîëîíêà

ãèïñàí êàë äà :idea2: ëòäÝ êàë äà :idea2: åñï òðó :idea2:
à àùå òðó Ibanez Destroyer è Jackson Kelly ðàç óæ âàì íà Õ çàõîòåëîñü ïîèãðàòü :idea2:
Kotofey› îãà, îäåíó êîðè÷íåâóþ êåïî÷êó, êîðè÷íåâûå áîòèíî÷êè, êîðè÷íåâûå øòàíèøêè, êîðè÷íåâûå íîñêè êîðè÷íåâóþ êóðòî÷êó è êîðè÷íåâóþ ðóáàøå÷êó
è áóäó ãîâíîì :psyan:
à åñëè â óãîë ïîñòàâÿò - òî è îòòóäà âîíÿòü áóäó
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Òåìà: Re: gibson exploierer vs esp exploirer
Âðåìÿ: 08.11.2011 08:12 
Íèæíåâàðòîâñê
Fender Strat+ '90/Fender RK Tele/Jackson USA

>ãèïñàí êàë äà ëòäÝ êàë äà åñï òðó
>à àùå òðó Ibanez Destroyer è Jackson Kelly ðàç óæ âàì íà Õ çàõîòåëîñü ïîèãðàòü
íó õîðîø ñåìåðèòü óæå :7:
"a volume knob on any guitar basically gives you an infinite number of amp channels" (c) G.Govan.
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Âðåìÿ: 08.11.2011 08:16 
Ìîñêâà
Fuzz Faces

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Òåìà: Re: gibson exploierer vs esp exploirer
Âðåìÿ: 08.11.2011 15:40 
Òàãàíðîã
Àýðîóïðóãîñòü

Jahman , b-o-d , :sm001: :agree: :alko_2464:
ÏÀÎ "ÒÀÍÒÊ èì. Ã. Ì. Áåðèåâà", ÎÊÁ
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>>à åùå îí óäîáíûé è ïðè ñîáëþäåíèè ïðàâèë ýêñïëóàòàöèè äàåò +ìèëüåí ê êðóòîñòè
>>îäíî èç ýòèõ ïðàâèë: øîá íà éàéòñàõ âèñåë!!!!!!
>Âû áàðàíû, ìëÿ!)))
>Ðåàëüíî ïðèêîëüíàÿ ãèòàðà è ïîõ íà "ìèëü¸í êðó÷åñòè ïðè âèñåíèè íà éàéòñàõ"!
>ß âîîáùå ñàì íå î÷åíü ëþáëþ óãëîâàòûå ôîðìû, íî ðåàëüíî Ýêñïëîðåð ìíå ïîíðàâèëñÿ çâóêîì. Ó íåãî è àêêóñòè÷åñêèé çâóê êñòàòå òîæå ïðèêîëüíûé!
>Êñòàòå íà ñ÷¸ò óäîáíîñòè - ÿá íå ñêàçàë, ÷òî Ýêñ ýòàëîí ýðãàíîìèêè, íî òåì íå ìåíåå ýòî îòëè÷íàÿ ãèòàðà!
ïðî çâóê åãî óæå íàõâàëèëè :idea2: òû æå íå áóäåøü îòðèöàòü, ÷òî ýêñïëîðåð ñâîèì âèäîì äîáàâëÿåò âíóøèòåëüíîñòè? :eek7:
Çàíÿòèÿ õåð*åé íà ðàáî÷åì ìåñòå ðàçâèâàåò áîêîâîå çðåíèå, ñëóõ, ðåàêöèþ è áäèòåëüíîñòü â öåëîì :gigi:
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Ðóêè è çóáû

áåðè àéñìàí èëè òóíäûá¸ðä :super:
!äëÿ äåòõà êóïè çîìáó!
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Àýðîóïðóãîñòü

Êåëëè KE 2 êñòàòå îòëè÷íàÿ ãèòàðà, íî ñõîæåñòè ñ ýêñï çàêàí÷èâàþòñÿ òîëüêî íà ôîðìå.
Êåëëÿ - ñêâîçíàÿ, îëüõîâàÿ\òîïîë¸âàÿ. Ãðèô êîíå÷íî ó Êåëëè ïîóäîáíåé...
Íî âïðèíöèïå, ñðàâíèâàòü Êåëëè ñ Ýêñïëîðåðîì - ýòî âñ¸ ðîâíî ÷òî êóé ê òîðïåäå ïðèðîâíÿòü!
À âîò Äæåêñîíîâñêèé ýêñïëîðåð, êîòîðûé Êàñòîì Øîï äåëàë ÿá ñ óäîâîëüñòâèåì ïîëàïàë áû! :idea2:
ÏÀÎ "ÒÀÍÒÊ èì. Ã. Ì. Áåðèåâà", ÎÊÁ
 ýòîò ôîðóì ìîãóò ïèñàòü òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûå ïîëüçîâàòåëè!