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Òåìà: Stratocaster Vs Telecaster (âèäåî - òåñò)
Âðåìÿ: 05.02.2014 21:37 
Ìîñêâà


Íàçâàíèå òåìû ñïåöèàëüíî âûáðàë ïðîâîêàöèîííîå,à íà ñàìîì äåëå ïðîñòî ïîëó÷èëîñü ñåãîäíÿ çàöåíèòü òðè òåëèêà è òðè ñòðàòà!
 âèäåî ñî ñòðàòàìè åñòü êîíå÷íî ñîïîñòàâëåíèå ìàñòåðîâîãî ñòðàòà îò Ñåãè è ôåíäåðà,à âèäåî ñ òåëèêàìè,ýòî ïðîñòî òðè êë¸âûõ ðàçíûõ òåëèêà :idea2:
Íî òåì íå ìåíåå,ñäåëàþ ãîëîñóâàëêó,ïðîñòî,êàêàÿ ãèòàðà áîëüøå ïîíðàâèëàñü :)
Ñòðàòû:
SD Guitars (Alder) Fedor Chernyshov's pickups
Fender (Alder) American Standart
Fender (Alder) Am.St.40th Anniversary (1994)
Òåëèêè:
Fender Select Tele With Bare Knuckle Stormy Monday
Fender Deluxe Tele With Fedor Chernyshov's pickups
Fender Thinline Tele With Lollar Regal Humbucker



Êàêàÿ ãèòàðà ïîíðàâèëàñü?
SD Guitars (Alder) Fedor Chernyshov's pickups
 30
Fender (Alder) American Standart
 17
Fender (Alder) Am.St.40th Anniversary (1994)
 11
Fender Select Tele With Bare Knuckle Stormy Monday
 36
Fender Deluxe Tele With Fedor Chernyshov's pickups
 5
Fender Thinline Tele With Lollar Regal Humbucker
 14

Âñåãî ïðîãîëîñîâàëî: 58
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Òåìà: Re: Stratocaster Vs Telecaster (âèäåî - òåñò)
Âðåìÿ: 05.02.2014 21:40 
Ìîñêâà
Strat, ASAT, SG, Takamine

Äèìàààà! Standard!!! Èíîñòðàíöû âåäü ñìîòðÿò))
Strat, ASAT, SG->Budda-> Cmatmods Signa Comp-> Zendrive->OCD->Fulltone '70 -> MXR Phase 90-> T-Rex Tremster-> RC Booster-> Strymon Brigadier-> Strymon Blue Sky// TS-808->BJFe Folk Fuzz->Wampler Plexi Drive-> Ibanez Flanger->EHX Pulsar->Malekko 616
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Òåìà: Re: Stratocaster Vs Telecaster (âèäåî - òåñò)
Âðåìÿ: 05.02.2014 21:43 
Ìîñêâà


Gustaw , áëèí,íà âèäåî óæå íå ïîìåíÿþ)
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Òåìà: Re: Stratocaster Vs Telecaster (âèäåî - òåñò)
Âðåìÿ: 05.02.2014 22:04 
Ìîñêâà
Guitar

fusionman , DS ïðîñòî øèêàðíî çâó÷èò, ôåíäåðû ÷åñòíî ãîâîðÿ ðÿäîì íå ñòîÿò.
Íó à òåëåê ñ áàðèíàêëàìè äà, èç òåëåêîâ ëó÷øå âñåõ.
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Òåìà: Re: Stratocaster Vs Telecaster (âèäåî - òåñò)
Âðåìÿ: 05.02.2014 22:18 
Ìîñêîâñêàÿ îáë.
Ãèòàðà

Ïðîãîëîñîâàë çà Fender (Alder) American Standard :fan:
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Òåìà: Re: Stratocaster Vs Telecaster (âèäåî - òåñò)
Âðåìÿ: 05.02.2014 22:28 
Âëàäèìèð
ìíå íðàâÿòñÿ ãèòàðû

Èç ñòðàòîâ:
1. SD
2. Std
3. Anniversary

Èç òåëå:
1. Îòáîðíûé
2. Òõèíëèíå
3. ÄýËþêñ
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Òåìà: Re: Stratocaster Vs Telecaster (âèäåî - òåñò)
Âðåìÿ: 05.02.2014 22:30 
Ìîñêâà
Fender Am Deluxe ProTools12

SD Guitars (Alder) Fedor Chernyshov's pickups Õîðîøèé ñ ðîâíîé ÷àñòîòêîé, äîâîëüíî ïëîòíîé ñåðåäèíîé
Fender (Alder) American Standart Ñëèøêîì ÿäîâèò
Fender (Alder) Am.St.40th Anniversary (1994) Áîëåå ïëîòíûé íèç ÷åì ó ñòàíäàðäà ÷òî ñêðûâàåò åãî ÿäîâèòîñòü.

SD Guitars Ïîíðàâèëñÿ áîëüøå âñåõ :idea2: ïðè äàííûõ íàñòðîéêàõ óñèëèòåëÿ è ìèêðîôîíà.

Òåëèêè:
Âñå òðè íîðìàëüíûå :idea2:
Film-Post production. Music production. https://vk.com/dygai_band
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Òåìà: Re: Stratocaster Vs Telecaster (âèäåî - òåñò)
Âðåìÿ: 05.02.2014 22:30 



Èç ñòðàòîâ ÑÒÄ(ñàíáåðñò),Èç òåëåêîâ Òèíëàéí.
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Òåìà: Re: Stratocaster Vs Telecaster (âèäåî - òåñò)
Âðåìÿ: 05.02.2014 22:32 
Ìîñêâà
Fender Am Deluxe ProTools12

>SD Guitars
÷òî ýòî âîîáùå çà ôèðìà è ñêîëüêî ñòðàò ýòîò ñòîèò?
Film-Post production. Music production. https://vk.com/dygai_band
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Òåìà: Re: Stratocaster Vs Telecaster (âèäåî - òåñò)
Âðåìÿ: 05.02.2014 22:34 
Ìîñêâà


>ïðè äàííûõ íàñòðîéêàõ óñèëèòåëÿ è ìèêðîôîíà
Óñèëîê Ìàðøàëë JTM45 (â êàäðå ñëåâà) ïåäàëü ïåðåãðóçà Fulltone Fulldrive
À çâóê äâå äîðîæêè,ïåðâàÿ ìèêðîôîí êàìåðû,âòîðàÿ äèêòîôîíà Zoom H1
Ìèêðîôîí êàìåðû õîðîø è îäèí,íî äîðîæêà äèêòîôîíà ïðèäà¸ò íèçó è íèæíåé ñåðåäèíû
Êàê-òî òàê
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Stratocaster Vs Telecaster (âèäåî - òåñò)
Âðåìÿ: 05.02.2014 22:36 
HIMKI
Tele,Strat'û&LP

çà îáà ñ ÷åðíûøåâñêèìè, îñòàëüíûå âèäèìî äåðåâî åùå íîðìàëüíîå - à îùóùåíèå ÷òî äàò÷èêè ïîëóìåðòâûå è èç íèõ íàäî óñèëåííî âûæèìàòü...
à ÷åì, êàê âèäåî/çâóê ïèñàëè?
Moon Strat+Bacchus BLC-57+BTE-54V+Greco SE-600'79+ELEVEN RACK+CRATE V3112T
òåïåðü è Ibanez
Óìíûé ó÷èòñÿ íà ÷óæèõ îøèáêàõ,à äóðàê íà ñâîèõ.(Áóääà)
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Òåìà: Re: Stratocaster Vs Telecaster (âèäåî - òåñò)
Âðåìÿ: 05.02.2014 22:37 
Ìîñêâà


>>SD Guitars
>÷òî ýòî âîîáùå çà ôèðìà è ñêîëüêî ñòðàò ýòîò ñòîèò?
Ýòî ãèòàðà ïðîèçâîäñòâà Ñåãè,íàøåãî ôîðóì÷àíèíà.
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Stratocaster Vs Telecaster (âèäåî - òåñò)
Âðåìÿ: 05.02.2014 22:38 
Ìîñêâà
Fender Am Deluxe ProTools12

>Ìèêðîôîí êàìåðû õîðîø è îäèí,íî äîðîæêà äèêòîôîíà ïðèäà¸ò íèçó è íèæíåé ñåðåäèíû
>Êàê-òî òàê
Íó âîò ÷åãî æå íå ñíÿë ìèêîì íîðìàëüíûì, ïîëåíèñëÿ? :)
Film-Post production. Music production. https://vk.com/dygai_band
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Òåìà: Re: Stratocaster Vs Telecaster (âèäåî - òåñò)
Âðåìÿ: 05.02.2014 22:39 
Ìîñêâà
Fender Am Deluxe ProTools12

>Ýòî ãèòàðà ïðîèçâîäñòâà Ñåãè,íàøåãî ôîðóì÷àíèíà.
Êðóòî, íå îæèäàë :fan:
>ïîëåíèñëÿ
:7: ïîëåíèëñÿ
Film-Post production. Music production. https://vk.com/dygai_band
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Òåìà: Re: Stratocaster Vs Telecaster (âèäåî - òåñò)
Âðåìÿ: 05.02.2014 22:48 
Ìîñêâà


>Íó âîò ÷åãî æå íå ñíÿë ìèêîì íîðìàëüíûì, ïîëåíèñëÿ?
ìèêðîôîíîì ìîæíî áûëî,íî îáü¸ìà íå õâàòàåò êîìíàòû,òàê áîëåå ïðèáëèæåííî ê ðåàëüíîìó çâó÷àíèþ
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Òåìà: Re: Stratocaster Vs Telecaster (âèäåî - òåñò)
Âðåìÿ: 05.02.2014 22:53 
Ìîñêâà
Jackson SL1/Russtone

Ñòðàò îò Ñåãè â ýòîì âèäåî âûèãðûøíåå çâó÷èò, íî îñòàëüíûå äâà òîæå õîðîøè.
Èç Òåëåêîâ áîëåå ìåíåå ïîíðàâèëñÿ With Bare Knuckle, îñòàëüíûå êàê-òî íå î÷åíü
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Òåìà: Re: Stratocaster Vs Telecaster (âèäåî - òåñò)
Âðåìÿ: 05.02.2014 23:01 
Ìîñêâà
Fender Am Deluxe ProTools12

>ìèêðîôîíîì ìîæíî áûëî,íî îáü¸ìà íå õâàòàåò êîìíàòû
òåáå æå íå ðóìû ñíèìàòü, à ïåðåä äèíîì ïîñòàâèòü îäèí äâà ìèêà :idea2: Òàê áûë áû ñàìûé ëó÷øèé òåñò êîòîðûé ÿ òóò âèäåë :)
Film-Post production. Music production. https://vk.com/dygai_band
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Òåìà: Re: Stratocaster Vs Telecaster (âèäåî - òåñò)
Âðåìÿ: 05.02.2014 23:06 
Ìîñêâà


Ñòðàò Ñåðãåÿ ëó÷øå âñåõ. Äàæå íå îæèäàë.
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Òåìà: Re: Stratocaster Vs Telecaster (âèäåî - òåñò)
Âðåìÿ: 05.02.2014 23:10 



È êàê îáû÷íî â ãîëîñîâàíèÿõ ïî þòóáó ïîáåæäàþò ãèòàðû ñ ñàìûì æèðíûì è\èëè ãðîìêèì çâóêîì
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Stratocaster Vs Telecaster (âèäåî - òåñò)
Âðåìÿ: 05.02.2014 23:13 
Ìîñêâà


À êàêèå åùå ãèòàðû äîëæíû ïîáåæäàòü?
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Stratocaster Vs Telecaster (âèäåî - òåñò)
Âðåìÿ: 05.02.2014 23:16 



>À êàêèå åùå ãèòàðû äîëæíû ïîáåæäàòü?
Ëó÷øèå :4:
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Òåìà: Re: Stratocaster Vs Telecaster (âèäåî - òåñò)
Âðåìÿ: 05.02.2014 23:18 
Ìîñêâà
Jackson SL1/Russtone

>>À êàêèå åùå ãèòàðû äîëæíû ïîáåæäàòü?
>Ëó÷øèå
Íó, ýòî âæèâóþ íàäî ñëóøàòü. À ëó÷øå ñàìîìó ïîèãðàòü
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Òåìà: Re: Stratocaster Vs Telecaster (âèäåî - òåñò)
Âðåìÿ: 05.02.2014 23:24 
Ìîñêâà


>Òàê áûë áû ñàìûé ëó÷øèé òåñò êîòîðûé ÿ òóò âèäåë
âîò ïëåéëèñò ñ ìîåãî êàíàëà,áîëüøàÿ ÷àñòü ñíÿòà ìèêðîôîíîì,òàì êó÷à ðàçíûõ ãèòàð
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqZwMoKsitA&list=P LsG2JapK4rRLiRBAYt8BhTUkpf1ise...8BhTUkpf1iseF3w
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Òåìà: Re: Stratocaster Vs Telecaster (âèäåî - òåñò)
Âðåìÿ: 06.02.2014 00:06 
Ìîñêâà
Fender Am Deluxe ProTools12

>È êàê îáû÷íî â ãîëîñîâàíèÿõ ïî þòóáó ïîáåæäàþò ãèòàðû ñ ñàìûì æèðíûì è\èëè ãðîìêèì çâóêîì
Îíè òî èãðàþò ñîëüíóþ ïàðòèþ ïîýòîìó äîëæíû áûòü æèðíûìè è ïëîòíûìè, åñëè ñóäèòü îò ìèêñà òî òóò óæå äðóãèå çàêîíû
fusionman , ïîãëÿæó íà äîñóãå :agree:
Äèì íàïèøè â ëè÷êó ñêîëüêî ñòîÿò åãî ãèòàðû â ñðåäíåì SD Guitars)))
Film-Post production. Music production. https://vk.com/dygai_band
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Òåìà: Re: Stratocaster Vs Telecaster (âèäåî - òåñò)
Âðåìÿ: 06.02.2014 00:16 
Ìûòèùè
Ãèòàðà, áàðàáàíû

Ñòðàòû:

1. Ñòðàò Ñåãè
2. Àì. Ñòàíäàðä (îëüõà)

Òåëå - Ñåëåêò òåëåêàñòåð.

>Äèì íàïèøè â ëè÷êó ñêîëüêî ñòîÿò åãî ãèòàðû â ñðåäíåì SD Guitars)))
Âîò òîæå èíòåðåñíî. Ìîæíî è ìíå?
ß ïîñòðîþ ñâîé ëóííûé ìîäóëü, ñ áëýêäæåêîì è øëþõàìè! È âîîáùå, ê ÷åðòó ëóííûé ìîäóëü è áëýêäæåê!(ñ) Áåíäåð
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Òåìà: Re: Stratocaster Vs Telecaster (âèäåî - òåñò)
Âðåìÿ: 06.02.2014 01:16 
Ìîñêâà


À îí ðàçâå óæå òîðãóåò? Íàñêîëüêî ÿ çíàþ, îí ðàíüøå äåëàë ÷èñòî äëÿ ñåáÿ, è äàðèë çíàêîìûì.
Î÷åíü èíòåðåñíûé ÷åëîâåê - íà÷àë çàíèìàòüñÿ ãèòàðîñòðîåíèåì áóêâàëüíî ëåò 5 íàçàä, è âîçðàñòàë, áóêâàëüíî, íà íàøèõ ãëàçàõ. Î÷åíü õîðîøî ïîìíþ åãî òåìû íà êîíôåðåíöèè Øàìðàÿ, êàê îí èíñòðóìåíò âûáèðàë, ÷åðòåæè îáñóæäàë. ß, ÷åñòíî ãîâîðÿ, äàæå íå äóìàë, ÷òî èç ýòîãî ÷òî-òî ïîëó÷èòñÿ. Äóìàë, ïîáàëóåòñÿ è áðîñèò. Àí, íåò. Áûâàþò æå ëþäè, êîòîðûå äîâîäÿò íà÷àòîå äî êîíöà. Î÷åíü ðàä, ÷òî è ó íàøèõ ÷òî-òî íà÷àëî ïîëó÷àòüñÿ.
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Òåìà: Re: Stratocaster Vs Telecaster (âèäåî - òåñò)
Âðåìÿ: 06.02.2014 01:23 
Ìîñêâà
Strat, ASAT, SG, Takamine

>è äàðèë çíàêîìûì.
çàõîòåëîñü ïîçíàêîìèòüñÿ ñ Ñåãîé...
Strat, ASAT, SG->Budda-> Cmatmods Signa Comp-> Zendrive->OCD->Fulltone '70 -> MXR Phase 90-> T-Rex Tremster-> RC Booster-> Strymon Brigadier-> Strymon Blue Sky// TS-808->BJFe Folk Fuzz->Wampler Plexi Drive-> Ibanez Flanger->EHX Pulsar->Malekko 616
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Âðåìÿ: 06.02.2014 02:25 

Fender

Ñåãà - ìîëîäåö! Î÷åíü óäà÷íûé ñòðàò ïîëó÷èëñÿ :super: è ïî çâóêó è âíåøíå êðàñèâûé î÷åíü :ves001: õîòü è íå ëþáëþ ñèíèå ñòðàòû íî ýòîò îòòåíîê - êðàñèâûé :yes: Çàóâàæàë Ñåãó è ×åðíûøîâà â ýòîé òåìå :mol:
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Òåìà: Re: Stratocaster Vs Telecaster (âèäåî - òåñò)
Âðåìÿ: 06.02.2014 02:26 

Fender

Äèìû÷ òîæå çäîðîâî íàèãðàë :super:
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Òåìà: Re: Stratocaster Vs Telecaster (âèäåî - òåñò)
Âðåìÿ: 06.02.2014 03:09 
Ìîñêâà
Fuzz Faces

ÑÄ ñòðàò è ôèíëàéí òåëå âêàòèëè áîëüøå âñåãî :idea2:
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Òåìà: Re: Stratocaster Vs Telecaster (âèäåî - òåñò)
Âðåìÿ: 06.02.2014 08:18 
Ìîñêâà


Ïî ïîâîäó öåí è â ïðèíöèïå äåëàåò ëè íà ïðîäàæó,äóìàþ Ñåðãåé (Ñåãà) ñàì îòïèøåòñÿ â ýòîé òåìå èëè ëè÷êå.ß íå â êóðñå
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Òåìà: Re: Stratocaster Vs Telecaster (âèäåî - òåñò)
Âðåìÿ: 06.02.2014 08:21 
Ìîñêâà


Òàì åùå äàò÷èêè ×åðíûøåâà ñòîÿò. Ýòî ðåàëüíî +1 ê çâóêó
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Âðåìÿ: 06.02.2014 08:25 

Warwick Infinity sn, Fender precision ÑS, JB ÑS, Bossa

À êòî ïîáåäèë òî?
Èäó ÿ êàê-òî ïî áåðåãó, à â ðåêå ÷åëîâåê, ó êîòîðîãî çàêîí÷èëèñü âñå àðãóìåíòû â ñïîðå, òîíåò. "Öåïëÿéñÿ ê îðôîãðàôèè!", — êðè÷ó åìó. Åëå ñïàñ.
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Òåìà: Re: Stratocaster Vs Telecaster (âèäåî - òåñò)
Âðåìÿ: 06.02.2014 09:24 
Ìîñêâà
Only Gibson is good enough!

Èç ñòðàòîâ anniversary î÷åíü ïîíðàâèëñÿ, ïëîòíûé çâóê. È ïåðâûé òåëåê ñ bare knuckle.
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Òåìà: Re: Stratocaster Vs Telecaster (âèäåî - òåñò)
Âðåìÿ: 06.02.2014 09:32 
áèëåò
íà áàëåò

èç ñòàðòîâ ÷åòà âàùå íå÷åãî íå ïîíðàâèëîñü :4: âñå óçêîâàòîå ïî çâóêó
òåëåêè âñå ïîíðàâèëèñü, âèäàòü ïîòîìó ÷òî õàìáàêåðû è çâó÷àò îíè íà çàïèñè áîëåå âûãîäíî, êàê â æèâóþ ýòî óæå íàäî ñëóøàòü íåïîñðåäñòâåííî òàì, íî Ñòðàòû ðåàëüíî óíûëî çâó÷àò íà çàïèñè èìõî, òîíêî
Rock-n-Roll ýòî æìóðü :svet:
ß òâîðþ íåìîòèâèðîâàííûå àêòû êðàñîòû :love:

Õåíäðèêñ ñäîõ à Êèðêîðîâ æèâ. Ïåë Ïðåñëè ñòîíàë Ëåïñ.. È Êîáåéí â õîõëîìå. Òàêèå âîò òâîð÷åñêèå âå÷åðà â Ïèòåðå.  êâàðòèðå ñ Âèäîì íà Êàçàíñêèé. (ñ) Time
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Âðåìÿ: 06.02.2014 09:33 
Ìîñêâà
Offline

>â æèâóþ
ÀÃÀ!
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Âðåìÿ: 06.02.2014 09:34 
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Ñàòèêñ, íó íå ôëóäè ïîæàëóñòî, à òî ÿ çà ñåáÿ íå îòâå÷àþ
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Õåíäðèêñ ñäîõ à Êèðêîðîâ æèâ. Ïåë Ïðåñëè ñòîíàë Ëåïñ.. È Êîáåéí â õîõëîìå. Òàêèå âîò òâîð÷åñêèå âå÷åðà â Ïèòåðå.  êâàðòèðå ñ Âèäîì íà Êàçàíñêèé. (ñ) Time
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Òåìà: Re: Stratocaster Vs Telecaster (âèäåî - òåñò)
Âðåìÿ: 06.02.2014 11:25 
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Âðåìÿ: 06.02.2014 11:27 
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Rock-n-Roll ýòî æìóðü :svet:
ß òâîðþ íåìîòèâèðîâàííûå àêòû êðàñîòû :love:

Õåíäðèêñ ñäîõ à Êèðêîðîâ æèâ. Ïåë Ïðåñëè ñòîíàë Ëåïñ.. È Êîáåéí â õîõëîìå. Òàêèå âîò òâîð÷åñêèå âå÷åðà â Ïèòåðå.  êâàðòèðå ñ Âèäîì íà Êàçàíñêèé. (ñ) Time
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Òåìà: Re: Stratocaster Vs Telecaster (âèäåî - òåñò)
Âðåìÿ: 06.02.2014 11:28 
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Òîâàðèù Ìåäâåä , åùå íåìíîæêî, è ó íàñ áóäåò ñàìûé ãðàìîòíûé ôîðóì :idea2:
Do ye know where the Holy Flamin' Frost-Brand Gronk-Slayin' Vorpal Hammer o' Woundin' an' Returnin' an' Shootin'-Lightnin'-Out-Yer-Bum is?
 ýòîò ôîðóì ìîãóò ïèñàòü òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûå ïîëüçîâàòåëè!