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Àâòîð Òåìà: Washburn WI320PRO (SD Blackouts) èëè SG600
Âðåìÿ: 26.12.2013 20:28 



Ðåáÿò, ÿ ïîíèìàþ, âîïðîñ øâàõ, íî î÷åíü íóæíî âàøå ìíåíèå. Ñòîþ ïåðåä âûáîðîì: Washburn WI320PRO (SD Blackouts) èëè Yamaha sg600. Áåðó äëÿ õàðäðîêà, ïîï-ïàíêà, à òî è ÷åãî-íèáóäü òÿæåëåå. Washburn ñäåëàí â èíäîíåçèè, êðàñíîå äåðåâî êîðïóñ è ãðèô èç êðàñíîãî ñ âîëíèñòîêëåíîâûì òîïîì , íà ãðèôå íàêëàäêà èç ÷åðíîãî äåðåâà, ñåðèéíèê åñòü. ßìàõà ÿïîíñêàÿ, íî èç àãàòèñà ñ êëåíîâûì òîïîì, ãðèô êëåí ñ ïàëèñàíäðîì. Ñëóøàë èõ íà ðàçíîì îáîðóäîâàíèè, ñðàâíèòü ëîá â ëîá âîçìîæíîñòè íåò, ãèòàðû â îäíîé öåíå. ×òî âçÿëè áû âû?
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Òåìà: Re: Washburn WI320PRO (SD Blackouts) èëè SG600
Âðåìÿ: 26.12.2013 20:34 
Ìîñêâà
Strat, ASAT, SG, Takamine

>×òî âçÿëè áû âû?

>äëÿ õàðäðîêà, ïîï-ïàíêà, à òî è ÷åãî-íèáóäü òÿæåëåå


Ãèáñîí ÑÃ.
Strat, ASAT, SG->Budda-> Cmatmods Signa Comp-> Zendrive->OCD->Fulltone '70 -> MXR Phase 90-> T-Rex Tremster-> RC Booster-> Strymon Brigadier-> Strymon Blue Sky// TS-808->BJFe Folk Fuzz->Wampler Plexi Drive-> Ibanez Flanger->EHX Pulsar->Malekko 616
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Òåìà: Re: Washburn WI320PRO (SD Blackouts) èëè SG600
Âðåìÿ: 26.12.2013 20:38 
Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
Music man sabre 2

Àãà, ãèáñîí àðòèñò çà 100ê) À íà ñàìîì äåëå âûáðàòü íàäî èç ýòèõ äâóõ)
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Òåìà: Re: Washburn WI320PRO (SD Blackouts) èëè SG600
Âðåìÿ: 26.12.2013 20:41 
Ìîñêâà
Strat, ASAT, SG, Takamine

Lisovski , óòðèðóåøü. ÑÃ ñðàâíèòåëüíî äîñòóïíà ôèíàíñîâî. Äîðîãî? Òîãäà ïî ñîâåòó äðóçåé áåðè àâòîìîáèëü Ìîñêâè÷. Îí æå Ãèáñîí ËÏÆ.
Strat, ASAT, SG->Budda-> Cmatmods Signa Comp-> Zendrive->OCD->Fulltone '70 -> MXR Phase 90-> T-Rex Tremster-> RC Booster-> Strymon Brigadier-> Strymon Blue Sky// TS-808->BJFe Folk Fuzz->Wampler Plexi Drive-> Ibanez Flanger->EHX Pulsar->Malekko 616
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Òåìà: Re: Washburn WI320PRO (SD Blackouts) èëè SG600
Âðåìÿ: 26.12.2013 20:46 
Ìîñêâà
Fuzz Faces

ÿìàõà
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Òåìà: Re: Washburn WI320PRO (SD Blackouts) èëè SG600
Âðåìÿ: 26.12.2013 20:46 
Russia
Evil Guitars

Åñëè èç ýòèõ, ìíå ëè÷íî áëèæå Washburn!
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Òåìà: Re: Washburn WI320PRO (SD Blackouts) èëè SG600
Âðåìÿ: 26.12.2013 21:52 
Ìîñêâà
Only Gibson is good enough!

Ïðàâèëüíî Gustaw ãîâîðèò. Ëó÷øå Gibson SGJ âçÿòü çà äâàäöàòêó, ÷åì ïîäåëêó èç àãàòèñà, à âàøáóðí ýòî âîîáùå :shit:
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Òåìà: Re: Washburn WI320PRO (SD Blackouts) èëè SG600
Âðåìÿ: 26.12.2013 21:54 
Ìîñêâà
Jackson SL1/Russtone

Lisovski , ïî öåíå êàêèå îãðàíè÷åíèÿ?
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Òåìà: Re: Washburn WI320PRO (SD Blackouts) èëè SG600
Âðåìÿ: 26.12.2013 21:59 
Ìîñêâà
Only Gibson is good enough!

Andy T , òàê ïî óêàçàííûì ìîäåëÿì âèäíî))
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Òåìà: Re: Washburn WI320PRO (SD Blackouts) èëè SG600
Âðåìÿ: 26.12.2013 21:59 
Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
Music man sabre 2

15ê)
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Òåìà: Re: Washburn WI320PRO (SD Blackouts) èëè SG600
Âðåìÿ: 26.12.2013 22:00 
Ìîñêâà
Only Gibson is good enough!

Èìåííî
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Òåìà: Re: Washburn WI320PRO (SD Blackouts) èëè SG600
Âðåìÿ: 26.12.2013 22:01 
Ìîñêâà
Jackson SL1/Russtone

>15ê)
Á/ó ÿïîíåö çà 500 :idea2:
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Òåìà: Re: Washburn WI320PRO (SD Blackouts) èëè SG600
Âðåìÿ: 26.12.2013 22:01 
Ìîñêâà
Only Gibson is good enough!

À äîáàâü ïÿòåðêó, è âîçüìåøü íîâûé ãèáñîí èç ìàãàçèíà
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Òåìà: Re: Washburn WI320PRO (SD Blackouts) èëè SG600
Âðåìÿ: 26.12.2013 22:05 
Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
Music man sabre 2

Íó, åñëè â ìàãàçèíå åñòü çà 20, òî ñ ðóê äîëæíû áûòü äåøåâëå, à ÿ íå âèæó äåøåâëå.
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Òåìà: Re: Washburn WI320PRO (SD Blackouts) èëè SG600
Âðåìÿ: 26.12.2013 22:06 
Ìîñêâà
Only Gibson is good enough!

Ýòî êàê ðàç òîò âàðèàíò, êîãäà ïðîùå âçÿòü â ìàãàçèíå))
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Òåìà: Re: Washburn WI320PRO (SD Blackouts) èëè SG600
Âðåìÿ: 26.12.2013 22:09 
Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
Music man sabre 2

Íó âîò êîíêðåòíî ýòîò âàøáåðí, ñëóøàë åãî âæèâóþ íà ýòîì æå P1, òàê è çâó÷èò. ß ïîíèìàþ ÷òî ýòî ìàòü åãî èíäîíåçèéñêèé âàøáåðí, íî çâó÷èò âåäü. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8iIfM-QG3A
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Òåìà: Re: Washburn WI320PRO (SD Blackouts) èëè SG600
Âðåìÿ: 26.12.2013 22:12 
Ìîñêâà
Only Gibson is good enough!

Çâó÷èò.... êàê â æèâîòå óð÷èò :yak:
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Òåìà: Re: Washburn WI320PRO (SD Blackouts) èëè SG600
Âðåìÿ: 26.12.2013 22:13 
Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
Music man sabre 2

íåò, ïîãîäè, òû õî÷åøü ñêàçàòü, ÷òî çâó÷èò êàê ãîãíî?)
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Òåìà: Re: Washburn WI320PRO (SD Blackouts) èëè SG600
Âðåìÿ: 26.12.2013 22:13 
Ìîñêâà
Jackson SL1/Russtone

Lisovski , ïðàâäà, ïðèñìîòðèñü ê Ãèáñîíó, áóäåò òåáå ñ÷àñòüå. Íå ñïåøè ñ ýòèìè ãîâíîïàëêàìè
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Òåìà: Re: Washburn WI320PRO (SD Blackouts) èëè SG600
Âðåìÿ: 26.12.2013 22:16 
Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
Music man sabre 2

Äà ÿ ñìîòåë ñã ñïåøë, íå ïîíðàâèëîñü, íå çíàþ ïî÷åìó
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Òåìà: Re: Washburn WI320PRO (SD Blackouts) èëè SG600
Âðåìÿ: 26.12.2013 22:23 
Ìîñêâà
Jackson SL1/Russtone

Lisovski , à òû òîæå áàñèñò? Ñóäÿ ïî ïîäïèñè
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Òåìà: Re: Washburn WI320PRO (SD Blackouts) èëè SG600
Âðåìÿ: 26.12.2013 22:24 
Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
Music man sabre 2

Íåà, åñëè òû ïðî ãèòàðó â ïîäïèñè, òî äåëî ïðîøëîå
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Òåìà: Re: Washburn WI320PRO (SD Blackouts) èëè SG600
Âðåìÿ: 26.12.2013 22:31 
Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
Music man sabre 2

À âîîáùå, ÿ ïðèêèäûâàë êóïèòü íåäîðîãóþ æóææàëêó, à ÷åðåç ïîëãîäèêà ñòðàò äåëþêñ áðàòü. Ïîñåìó ãèáñîíñòàíäàðòàõ è ïýðýýñàõ ïîêà íå íóæäàþñü, à ïîèãðàòü õî÷åòñÿ.
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Òåìà: Re: Washburn WI320PRO (SD Blackouts) èëè SG600
Âðåìÿ: 26.12.2013 23:44 

Go Ahead! Drink with the Living Dead!

>À âîîáùå, ÿ ïðèêèäûâàë êóïèòü íåäîðîãóþ æóææàëêó, à ÷åðåç ïîëãîäèêà ñòðàò äåëþêñ áðàòü. Ïîñåìó ãèáñîíñòàíäàðòàõ è ïýðýýñàõ ïîêà íå íóæäàþñü, à ïîèãðàòü õî÷åòñÿ.
Îõ, òà øî æ òû òàêèé äóðíèé! :oooi: Îñü ïîäèâèñü: http://www.muztorg.ru/cat/details/A042820/
Ãèòàðà ðåàëüíî çâó÷èò! Îíè â ìóçòîðãå ðàçëåòàþòñÿ êàê ãîðÿ÷èå ïèðîæêè, ïîäâîçèòü íå óñïåâàþò.
Ñòàðûå ìîñòû ìîãóò åùå ïðèãîäèòüñÿ. Ëó÷øå ñæå÷ü ñòàðûå ãðàáëè.
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Òåìà: Re: Washburn WI320PRO (SD Blackouts) èëè SG600
Âðåìÿ: 26.12.2013 23:49 
Ìîñêâà
Only Gibson is good enough!

mcadaver5150 , :agree: óæå âñå äîêàçûâàþò åìó, òàê íåò æå. Ïîòîì áóäåò òåìà:" à íå ãîãíî..."
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Òåìà: Re: Washburn WI320PRO (SD Blackouts) èëè SG600
Âðåìÿ: 26.12.2013 23:51 
Ìîñêâà
Only Gibson is good enough!

Àâòîð, è íå áåðè ñòðàò äåëþêñ. Óæ ëó÷øå òåëå :smoke:
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Òåìà: Re: Washburn WI320PRO (SD Blackouts) èëè SG600
Âðåìÿ: 26.12.2013 23:57 
Pey whiskey
Love siski

>>äëÿ õàðäðîêà, ïîï-ïàíêà, à òî è ÷åãî-íèáóäü òÿæåëåå
>Ãèáñîí ÑÃ.

ó äðóãà SG special á\ó - íåïëîõàÿ ïàëêà... :idea2:
>ñpaòü ñåë, è âûëåòåëî âñ¸ èç ãîëîâû (ñ)Äîðåìèäîðåäî

>ÿ ñïåðâà ïîìíèë, à ïîòîì ïåðåñòàë (ñ)Äîðåìèäîðåäî
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Òåìà: Re: Washburn WI320PRO (SD Blackouts) èëè SG600
Âðåìÿ: 27.12.2013 14:35 
Ñïá
Êîðåéñêåé ËýÒýÄý ÌÍ-1000

Äà âû ñ óìà ñîøëè, ÑÃ áåç îêàíòîâêè ïî ãðèôó! Êàê íà òàêîé èãðàòü ìîæíî..)

Ìîæíî åùå ËÒÄ-400 âçÿòü çà ýòè äåíüãè. :idea2:
Êîãäà ïûòàåøüñÿ ñìîòðåòü íà âåùè òðåçâî, íåâîëüíî âîçíèêàåò æåëàíèå âûïèòü. (ñ) Âåëèêèé ÂÖ
Åñòü òàêàÿ ïðîôåññèÿ - ñåáÿ îò Ðîäèíû çàùèùàòü.. (c)

Zoebeast. Russian grind z-squad.
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Òåìà: Re: Washburn WI320PRO (SD Blackouts) èëè SG600
Âðåìÿ: 27.12.2013 14:38 



íó êàê-òî çà 15 ìîæíî íàâåðíî ÷òî-òî ïîèíòåðåñíåå íàéòè.
ó ìåíÿ áûë ïîäîáíûé âàøáóðí 100 ëåò íàçàä, ãèòàðà î÷åíü òàê ñåáå. ñêëååíà èç áåñ÷èñëåííîãî êîë-âà êðàñíîäåðåâÿííûõ ùåïî÷åê è ïðè âñåì ïðè ýòî âñå ðàâíî äåðåâà ìàëî. êîðïóñ î÷åíü ìàëåíüêèé è òîíêèé, íîðìàëüíîãî çâóêà òàì ÿ îò íåå òàê è íå äîáèëñÿ...òàê òîëüêî ðèôû èãðàòü íà äðàéâå.... õîòÿ ïî óäîáñòâó äà, óäîáíàÿ êàê è âñå ìàëåíüêèå ãèòàðêè ðàññ÷èòàííûå íà òèíåéäæåðîâ)))
äà è ÿìàõà ýòà òàê ñåáå ÿ äóìàþ....
ÿ áû ïîèñêàë åùå âàðèàíòû áýó....èëè â ìàãàç çà ñã äæóíèîð, îíà ÿâíî ïîëó÷øå áóäåò è íîâàÿ è ñòîèò îêîëî òîãî æå
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Òåìà: Re: Washburn WI320PRO (SD Blackouts) èëè SG600
Âðåìÿ: 27.12.2013 14:49 



Áåðè ëþáóþ, âñ¸ ðàâíî îíè âñå îäèíàêîâûå.
Ñðåäè âñåõ æèâûõ ñóùåñòâ íà çåìëå, òîëüêî ÷åëîâåê ïëàòèò äåíüãè çà òî, ÷òîáû æèòü.
Ó ðóññêîãî ÷åëîâåêà äâå ìå÷òû: óíè÷òîæèòü Àìåðèêó è âûèãðàòü òóäà ãðèíêàðòó (ñ)
Ðîññèÿ - ýòî 1/6 ÷àñòü ñóøè, ñî âñåõ ñòîðîí îêðóæ¸ííàÿ öèâèëèçàöèåé!
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Òåìà: Re: Washburn WI320PRO (SD Blackouts) èëè SG600
Âðåìÿ: 27.12.2013 15:06 
Ìîñêâà
Only Gibson is good enough!

Ùà Äèåç íàó÷èò ãèòàðû ëþáèòü :nunu:
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Òåìà: Re: Washburn WI320PRO (SD Blackouts) èëè SG600
Âðåìÿ: 27.12.2013 15:49 



Äà íàäî áîëüíî. Âû æå óïðÿìûå. :4:
Ñðåäè âñåõ æèâûõ ñóùåñòâ íà çåìëå, òîëüêî ÷åëîâåê ïëàòèò äåíüãè çà òî, ÷òîáû æèòü.
Ó ðóññêîãî ÷åëîâåêà äâå ìå÷òû: óíè÷òîæèòü Àìåðèêó è âûèãðàòü òóäà ãðèíêàðòó (ñ)
Ðîññèÿ - ýòî 1/6 ÷àñòü ñóøè, ñî âñåõ ñòîðîí îêðóæ¸ííàÿ öèâèëèçàöèåé!
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Òåìà: Re: Washburn WI320PRO (SD Blackouts) èëè SG600
Âðåìÿ: 27.12.2013 18:29 
Ìîñêâà
Strat, ASAT, SG, Takamine

à ãäå ñîâåò ïî Êîðòó? íå èãðàë, íî ðåêîìåíäóþ))
Strat, ASAT, SG->Budda-> Cmatmods Signa Comp-> Zendrive->OCD->Fulltone '70 -> MXR Phase 90-> T-Rex Tremster-> RC Booster-> Strymon Brigadier-> Strymon Blue Sky// TS-808->BJFe Folk Fuzz->Wampler Plexi Drive-> Ibanez Flanger->EHX Pulsar->Malekko 616
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Òåìà: Re: Washburn WI320PRO (SD Blackouts) èëè SG600
Âðåìÿ: 27.12.2013 18:38 



>à ãäå ñîâåò ïî Êîðòó? íå èãðàë, íî ðåêîìåíäóþ))
×åãî òîëêó ñîâåòîâàòü Êîðò, åñëè âñ¸-ðàâíî êàêóþ-íèáóäü êàðòîííóþ àðèþ êóïèò. :4:
Ñðåäè âñåõ æèâûõ ñóùåñòâ íà çåìëå, òîëüêî ÷åëîâåê ïëàòèò äåíüãè çà òî, ÷òîáû æèòü.
Ó ðóññêîãî ÷åëîâåêà äâå ìå÷òû: óíè÷òîæèòü Àìåðèêó è âûèãðàòü òóäà ãðèíêàðòó (ñ)
Ðîññèÿ - ýòî 1/6 ÷àñòü ñóøè, ñî âñåõ ñòîðîí îêðóæ¸ííàÿ öèâèëèçàöèåé!
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Òåìà: Re: Washburn WI320PRO (SD Blackouts) èëè SG600
Âðåìÿ: 27.12.2013 18:41 
Ìîñêâà
Strat, ASAT, SG, Takamine

°DieZZ° , à âäðóã? Êîðò íåïëîõè, ïóñòü ïîñìîòðèò ÷åëîâåê))
Strat, ASAT, SG->Budda-> Cmatmods Signa Comp-> Zendrive->OCD->Fulltone '70 -> MXR Phase 90-> T-Rex Tremster-> RC Booster-> Strymon Brigadier-> Strymon Blue Sky// TS-808->BJFe Folk Fuzz->Wampler Plexi Drive-> Ibanez Flanger->EHX Pulsar->Malekko 616
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Òåìà: Re: Washburn WI320PRO (SD Blackouts) èëè SG600
Âðåìÿ: 27.12.2013 18:49 



Äà ÿ íå ïðîòèâ... Ïóñòü ïîñìîòðèò.
Ñðåäè âñåõ æèâûõ ñóùåñòâ íà çåìëå, òîëüêî ÷åëîâåê ïëàòèò äåíüãè çà òî, ÷òîáû æèòü.
Ó ðóññêîãî ÷åëîâåêà äâå ìå÷òû: óíè÷òîæèòü Àìåðèêó è âûèãðàòü òóäà ãðèíêàðòó (ñ)
Ðîññèÿ - ýòî 1/6 ÷àñòü ñóøè, ñî âñåõ ñòîðîí îêðóæ¸ííàÿ öèâèëèçàöèåé!
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Òåìà: Re: Washburn WI320PRO (SD Blackouts) èëè SG600
Âðåìÿ: 27.12.2013 19:08 



Ëàäíî. Ëàäíî... Ñîâåòóþ Cort M520. Ñàì áû êóïèë. Ìå÷òà.
Ñðåäè âñåõ æèâûõ ñóùåñòâ íà çåìëå, òîëüêî ÷åëîâåê ïëàòèò äåíüãè çà òî, ÷òîáû æèòü.
Ó ðóññêîãî ÷åëîâåêà äâå ìå÷òû: óíè÷òîæèòü Àìåðèêó è âûèãðàòü òóäà ãðèíêàðòó (ñ)
Ðîññèÿ - ýòî 1/6 ÷àñòü ñóøè, ñî âñåõ ñòîðîí îêðóæ¸ííàÿ öèâèëèçàöèåé!
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Òåìà: Re: Washburn WI320PRO (SD Blackouts) èëè SG600
Âðåìÿ: 27.12.2013 19:25 
Ìîñêâà


ÿ èãðàë íà êîðòå ì520 ñ ñèíãëàìè ïîä ï90 - îôóôåííàÿ ïàëêà, çà ñâîè äåíüãè ïðîñòî àãîíü
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Òåìà: Re: Washburn WI320PRO (SD Blackouts) èëè SG600
Âðåìÿ: 27.12.2013 19:46 
Ìîñêâà
Ðóêè è çóáû

www.musicforums.ru/guitar_buysell/1337364867.html# replies=10
!äëÿ äåòõà êóïè çîìáó!
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Òåìà: Re: Washburn WI320PRO (SD Blackouts) èëè SG600
Âðåìÿ: 27.12.2013 20:15 
Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
Music man sabre 2

Áëèí, íó ïî÷åìó æå ñðàçó àðèþ êàðòîííóþ? Ïîñëóøàë SGJ, ïîíðàâèëàñü, áóäó áðàòü.
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Òåìà: Re: Washburn WI320PRO (SD Blackouts) èëè SG600
Âðåìÿ: 27.12.2013 20:18 



>Áëèí, íó ïî÷åìó æå ñðàçó àðèþ êàðòîííóþ? Ïîñëóøàë SGJ, ïîíðàâèëàñü, áóäó áðàòü.
ß îáðàçíî. Íðàâèòñÿ-áåðè.
Ñðåäè âñåõ æèâûõ ñóùåñòâ íà çåìëå, òîëüêî ÷åëîâåê ïëàòèò äåíüãè çà òî, ÷òîáû æèòü.
Ó ðóññêîãî ÷åëîâåêà äâå ìå÷òû: óíè÷òîæèòü Àìåðèêó è âûèãðàòü òóäà ãðèíêàðòó (ñ)
Ðîññèÿ - ýòî 1/6 ÷àñòü ñóøè, ñî âñåõ ñòîðîí îêðóæ¸ííàÿ öèâèëèçàöèåé!
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Òåìà: Re: Washburn WI320PRO (SD Blackouts) èëè SG600
Âðåìÿ: 28.12.2013 00:11 

Go Ahead! Drink with the Living Dead!

>Áëèí, íó ïî÷åìó æå ñðàçó àðèþ êàðòîííóþ? Ïîñëóøàë SGJ, ïîíðàâèëàñü, áóäó áðàòü.
Ìóæèã! :agree:
Ñòàðûå ìîñòû ìîãóò åùå ïðèãîäèòüñÿ. Ëó÷øå ñæå÷ü ñòàðûå ãðàáëè.
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Òåìà: Re: Washburn WI320PRO (SD Blackouts) èëè SG600
Âðåìÿ: 28.12.2013 00:25 
Ìîñêâà
Only Gibson is good enough!

Ïðàâèëüíî
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Òåìà: Re: Washburn WI320PRO (SD Blackouts) èëè SG600
Âðåìÿ: 28.12.2013 12:42 
Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
Music man sabre 2

Ìóæèêè, âû îêàçàëèñü ïðàâû, òîëü ïå÷åíûé êëåí ñäåëàë ñâîå äåëî, à ìîæåò àïïàðàò, íà êîòîðîì ñëóøàë, íî âîò âçÿë ÿ ýòî ñãæ è äîâîëåí. Âñåì ñïàñèáî.
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Òåìà: Re: Washburn WI320PRO (SD Blackouts) èëè SG600
Âðåìÿ: 29.12.2013 09:47 

Go Ahead! Drink with the Living Dead!

Lisovski ,
Ñòàðûå ìîñòû ìîãóò åùå ïðèãîäèòüñÿ. Ëó÷øå ñæå÷ü ñòàðûå ãðàáëè.
 ýòîò ôîðóì ìîãóò ïèñàòü òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûå ïîëüçîâàòåëè!