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Ïîäîçðåâàþ, ÷òî ìíîãèå òóò íåäîñòàòî÷íî ïîäðîáíî îçíàêîìèëèñü ñ òåêñòîì ïåòèöèè. Ïîäîçðåâàþ, ÷òî íåêîòîðûå ñ íåé âîîáùå íå îçíàêîìèëèñü è äåëàëè âûâîäû èç òîãî, ÷òî òóò íàïèñàë àâòîð òåìû, êîòîðûé, ïî-ìîåìó, íå øèáêî ïîíÿë, â ÷åì æå âñ¸ òàêè "ñîëü" ïåòèöèè. Ïîòîìó ÷òî ïðî Á¸ðíè, Òîêàé è ïðî÷èõ ðå÷ü âîîáùå íå øëà!  îáùåì, ñëåãêà âîçìóòèâøèñü ýòèìè îáñóæäåíèÿìè íåïðî÷èòàííîãî, à çàîäíî ðàññóäèâ, ÷òî ïðàêòèêà â àíãëèéñêîì âñåãäà ïîëåçíà, ÿ ïåðåâåë ñåé òåêñò. Çíàòîêè àíãëèéñêîãî, åñëè ÷òî - ïîïðàâëÿéòå. To: The courts, attorneys and litigants involved in Gibson Guitar Corp vs, Paul Reed Smith, LP; Fender Musical Instrument Company, and the smaller guitar makers of the United States Ê: Ñóäàì, àäâîêàòàì è ñòîðîíàì, ó÷àñòâóþùèì â äåëå Ãèáñîí Ãèòàð Êîðï. ïðîòèâ ÏÐÑ, ËÏ; Ôåíäåð Ìóç. Èíñòð. Êîìïàíè è ìåíüøèì ïðîèçâîäèòåëÿì ãèòàð Ñîåäèíåííûõ Øòàòîâ. (Ýòî, êñòàòè, ê âîïðîñó, ïî÷åìó íà ðóññêèé íå ïåðåâåëè - ïðèì. ïåð.). As customers and members of the guitar-buying public, we feel that any court action in enforcing 50-year old trademarks, especially when previously undefended or under-defended, or recent trademarks on 50-year old designs, causes great harm to the guitar-buying public. Êàê ïîêóïàòåëè ãèòàð, ìû ÷óâñòâóåì, ÷òî ëþáîå ñóäåáíîå äåéñòâèå, ïðèäàþùåå çàêîííóþ ñèëó 50-ëåòíèì òîðãîâûì ìàðêàì, îñîáåííî ðàíåå íå çàùèùåííûì çàêîíîì, íàíåñåò îãðîìíûé óùåðá ëþäÿì, ïîêóïàþùèì ãèòàðû. We do not take any position on the legal merits of the recent court action in the Gibson Guitar Corp. vs. Paul Reed Smith Guitars, LP, action regarding the PRS Singlecut model and alleged violations of the Lanham Act. We do not profess to be experts on the case law involved. Rather, we feel that this recent spate of action by Gibson and Fender will be a detriment to our interests as consumers. Ìû íå ïðèíèìàåì êàêóþ-ëèáî ïîçèöèþ â íåäàâíåì äåëå Ãèáñîí ïðîòèâ ÏÐÑ, ðàññìàòðèâàþùåì ìîäåëü ÏÐÑ Ñèíãëêàò íà ïðåäìåò íàðóøåíèé Àêòà Ëýíõýìà (÷òî ýòî çà àêò - õç, ïðèì. ïåð.). Ìû íå ïðåòåíäóåì íà òî, ÷òîáû áûòü ýêñïåðòàìè â çàêîíàõ. Îäíàêî, ìû ÷óâñòâóåì, ÷òî ýòè íåäàâíèå âñïûøêè ñóäåáíîé àêòèâíîñòè Ãèáñîíà è Ôåíäåðà ïîâðåäÿò íàøèì (ïîòðåáèòåëüñêèì) èíòåðåñàì. We do oppose Fender’s recent attempts to trademark their body styles some 50 to 60 years after the introduction of those body styles, and decades after other builders began issuing guitars in those styles. Our position is that to a large degree, innovation in the guitar industry necessarily consists of improvements to existing design and the further evolution of the craft as it relates to building quality stringed instruments. Ìû ïðîòèâ ïîñëåäíèõ ïîïûòîê Ôåíäåðà çàïàòåíòîâàòü èõ "îáëèê" êîðïóñà ñïóñòÿ 50-60 ëåò ïîñëå ÿâëåíèÿ ýòèõ "ôîðì" âñåìó ìèðó, è äåñÿòèëåòèÿ ñïóñòÿ ïîñëå òîãî, êàê äðóãèå ïðîèçâîäèòåëè íà÷àëè âûïóñê ãèòàð ýòèõ ôîðì. Íàøà ïîçèöèÿ â çíà÷èòåëüíîé ñòåïåíè ñîñòîèò â òîì, ÷òî íîâàöèÿ â ãèòàðíîé èíäóñòðèè îáÿçàòåëüíî âêëþ÷àåò óëó÷øåíèÿ ñóùåñòâóþùåãî äèçàéíà è äàëüíåéøåé ýâîëþöèè ïðîèçâîäñòâà, êàê ýòî òðåáóåòñÿ äëÿ ïðîèçâîäñòâà êà÷åñòâåííûõ ñòðóííûõ èíñòðóìåíòîâ. In the same way that the basic design of the tire was perfected long ago, it is our position that the early innovators of the electric guitar in the 1950’s (Paul Bigsby, Leo Fender, Ted McCarty, Les Paul) created the ‘wheel’ from which further guitar innovation flows. It is a recognized fact that specific, now-trademarked designs of both Fender and Gibson guitars were actually “borrowed” from Paul Bigsby’s early designs. Ïîäîáíî òîìó, êàê îñíîâíîé äèçàéí ïîêðûøêè áûë ïðèäóìàí äàâíûì-äàâíî, ïî íàøåìó ìíåíèþ, ïåðâîîòêðûâàòåëè ìèðà ýëåêòðîãèòàð â 1950-õ (Áèãñáè, Ôåíäåð, ÌàêÊàðòè, Ëåñ Ïîë) ñîçäàëè "êîëåñî", îò êîòîðîãî ïîøëè âñå íîâàöèè. Ïðèçíàííûé ôàêò, ÷òî íûíå ïàòåíòóåìûå ôîðìû è Ôåíäåðà è Ãèáñîíà áûëè ïîçàèìñòâîâàíû ó Ïîëà Áèãñáè. Modern builders such as Paul Reed Smith, Tom Anderson, John Suhr, Scott Lentz, Don Grosh and others have succeeded as guitar builders not because they have reinvented the wheel in a new shape. Rather success came because they have made marked improvements to the ‘wheels’ that were previously only available through Fender and Gibson. Ñîâðåìåííûå ïðîèçâîäèòåëè, òàêèå êàê Paul Reed Smith, Tom Anderson, John Suhr, Scott Lentz, Don Grosh è ïðî÷èå, ïðåóñïåëè êàê èçãîòîâèòåëè ãèòàð íå ïîòîìó, ÷òî ïåðåèçîáðåëè êîëåñî â íîâîé ôîðìå. Ñêîðåå îíè äîáèëèñü óñïåõà áëàãîäàðÿ òîìó, ÷òî ñäåëàëè çàìåòíûå óëó÷øåíèÿ â ýòèõ "êîë¸ñàõ", êîòîðûå ðàíåå áûëè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî ó Ôåíäåðà è Ãèáñîíà. Just as a piece of round rubber does not constitute a workable automobile tire, neither does a piece of wood cut into a specific shape constitute a workable, much less exceptional, guitar. Rather, it is the pursuit of advancements in technology and construction while working within classic, proven designs that advances the science of guitar making. Ïðîñòîé êóñîê ðåçèíû êðóãëîé ôîðìû íå ÿâëÿåòñÿ ðàáî÷åé àâòîìîáèëüíîé ïîêðûøêîé. Òàê è êóñîê äåðåâà ñïåöèôè÷íîé ôîðìû íå ñîñòàâëÿåò ðåàëüíîé, íàìíîãî ìåíåå íåîáû÷íîé, ãèòàðû. Ñêîðåå ýòî ñòðåìëåíèå ê ïðîäâèæåíèÿì â òåõíîëîãèè ïðè èñïîëüçîâàíèè êëàññè÷åñêèõ, ïðîâåðåííûõ ôîðì, êîòîðîå ðàçâèâàåò íàóêó èçãîòîâëåíèÿ ãèòàð. In fact, smaller builders such as PRS, Anderson, Lentz, Grosh and Suhr were able to gain their initial foothold in the market because of a drop in the quality of instruments made by Gibson and Fender. This formed a ‘quality vacuum’ which these smaller builders filled.  ñóùíîñòè, ìåíüøèå ïðîèçâîäèòåëè, òàêèå êàê PRS, Anderson, Lentz, Grosh and Suhr, ñìîãëè çàâîåâàòü ñâîé "ñòàðòîâûé ïëàöäàðì" íà ðûíêå èç-çà ïàäåíèÿ êà÷åñòâà èíñòðóìåíòîâ, èçãîòîâëÿåìûõ ôèðìàìè Ãèáñîí è Ôåíäåð. Ýòî ïàäåíèå îáðàçîâàëî "êà÷åñòâåííûé âàêóóì", êîòîðûé ýòè ìåíüøèå ôèðìû çàïîëíèëè. These improvements are not always obvious to non-players. Many of these improvements are subtle, minor tweaks to an existing design that afford a breakthrough in tone, balance or playability. These tweaks may or may not meet the demands of the Lanham Act, but to likely customers of these high-end products, these often-minor improvements make a world of difference and greatly influence product purchase. Ýòè óëó÷øåíèÿ íå âñåãäà î÷åâèäíû òåì, êòî íå èãðàåò íà ãèòàðå. Ìíîãèå èç ýòèõ óëó÷øåíèé - åäâà ðàçëè÷èìûå, íåçíà÷èòåëüíûå äîáàâëåíèÿ ê ñóùåñòâóþùåìó äèçàéíó, êîòîðûå äàþò çíà÷èòåëüíûå ïðåèìóùåñòâà â çâóêå, áàëàíñå èëè "èãðàáåëüíîñòè". Ýòè èçìåíåíèÿ ìîãóò ïîïàäàòü èëè íå ïîïàäàòü ïîä òðåáîâàíèÿ Ëýíõýìîâñêîãî Àêòà, íî äëÿ âîçìîæíûõ ïîêóïàòåëåé ýòèõ õàé-åíä ïðîäóêòîâ, ýòè íåçàìåòíûå óëó÷øåíèÿ ÿâëÿþòñÿ îãðîìíûìè ðàçëè÷èÿìè è ñèëüíåéøèì îáðàçîì âëèÿþò íà ïîêóïêó ïðîäóêöèè. It is our contention that eliminating smaller builders from the marketplace and leaving Fender and Gibson as the only builders capable of producing these classic designs will result in a lack of available alternative choices, a drop in the overall quality of new guitars in the marketplace, and an increase in price as they attain monopoly status with regard to these classic designs. Ñóòü íàøåãî ïðîòåñòà â òîì, ÷òî óñòðàíåíèå ìåíüøèõ ôèðì ñ ðûíêà, îñòàâëÿþùåå Ôåíäåð è Ãèáñîí åäèíñòâåííûìè ïðîèçâîäèòåëÿìè ýòèõ êëàññè÷åñêèõ ôîðì, îòðàçèòñÿ â íåäîñòàòêå âûáîðà, îáùåì ïàäåíèè êà÷åñòâà íîâûõ ãèòàð è ðîñòå öåí íà íèõ, òàê êàê ýòè ôèðìû ñòàíóò ìîíîïîëèñòàìè â îòíîøåíèè êëàññè÷åñêèõ ôîðì. We do understand that guitars are not limited in shape by the same physical constraints that bind a wheel to a circular shape. However those early stringed instrument designs, as far back as Paul Bigsby in the realm of electric guitars, and indeed as far back as 17th century European violin makers achieved a balance, symmetry and playability that has stood the test of time. Ìû ïîíèìàåì, ÷òî ãèòàðû íå îãðàíè÷åíû â ôîðìàõ òåìè æå ôèçè÷åñêèìè îáñòîÿòåëüñòâàìè, ÷òî è êîëåñî. Îäíàêî ýòè ðàííèå ôîðìû, êàê è Ïîë Áèãñáè â ìèðå ýëåêòðîãèòàð, è òàêæå êàê êîãäà-òî â 17-îì âåêå åâðîïåéñêèå ïðîèçâîäèòåëè ñêðèïîê, äîñòèãëè áàëàíñà, ñèììåòðèè è óäîáñòâà, êîòîðîå ïðîøëî èñïûòàíèå âðåìåíåì. This test of time is proven not only by the massive sales that these designs have enjoyed, but also by the derivations and improvements made to those designs by scores of builders since 1950. Òî, ÷òî îíè ïðîøëè èñïûòàíèå âðåìåíåì, ïîäòâåðæäàåòñÿ íå òîãëüêî îãðîìíûìè ïðîäàæàìè ãèòàð ýòèõ ôîðì, íî òàêæå îòâåòâëåíèÿìè è óëó÷øåíèÿìè, êîòîðûå áûëè ïðèäóìàíû äëÿ ýòèõ ôîðì ìíîæåñòâîì ïðîèçâîäèòåëåé ñ 1950. Again, we take no position on the strictly legal merits of these cases before the courts. As customers, however, we express great concern that strict enforcement of these designs, decades after other luthiers have adopted and advanced the technology and construction of those early designs, will have crippling effects on both the marketplace, as well as the choices available to the millions of guitar players in the United States. Åùå ðàç, ìû íå çàíèìàåì êàêóþ-ëèáî ïîçèöèþ â ÷åòêèõ ïðàâîâûõ âîïðîñàõ ïî ýòèì ñóäåáíûì äåëàì. Îäíàêî æå, êàê ïîêóïàòåëè ìû âûðàæàåì áîëüøóþ îçàáî÷åííîñòü òåì, ÷òî ñòðîãîå çàêîíîäàòåëüíîå çàêðåïëåíèå ýòèõ äèçàéíîâ çà ôèðìàìè Ôåíäåð è Ãèáñîí, ñïóñòÿ äåñÿòèëåòèÿ ïîñëå òîãî, êàê îíè áûëè çàèìñòâîâàíû è ðàçâèòû äðóãèìè ôèðìàìè, ïîâëå÷åò íåãàòèâíûå ïîñëåäñòâèÿ äëÿ ìèëëèîíîâ ãèòàðèñòîâ â Ñîåäèíåííûõ Øòàòàõ. |
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Òàê âîò. Ñîáñòâåííî, ìî¸ ìíåíèå îá ýòîé ïåòèöèè. Âî-ïåðâûõ, îíà ÍÅ ÏÐÎÒÈ ÃÈÁÑÎÍ È ÔÅÍÄÅÐ! Îíà ïðîòèâ çàêðåïëåíèÿ ôîðì ñòðàòîêàñòåð è ëåñïîë ÇÀ ÝÒÈÌÈ È ÒÎËÜÊÎ ÇÀ ÝÒÈÌÈ ÔÈÐÌÀÌÈ! Âû, ãîñïîäà, ðàçíèöû íå îùóùàåòå? È âîò òóò ÿ íå âèæó íè÷åãî ñòðàííîãî. Äåéñòâèòåëüíî, íåïîíÿòíî, çà÷åì ðîïòàòü ïðîòèâ êðóïíûõ ôèðì, êîãäà òåáå íèêòî íå çàïðåùàåò ïîêóïàòü ëåñïîë Ãðåêî èëè Òîêàé èëè ñòðàò ôèðìû Squire (à òî è Square). Íî ñïóñòÿ äåñÿòèëåòèÿ çàïðåùàòü äðóãèì ïðîèçâîäèòü ãèòàðû ýòèõ ôîðì - ýòî áðåä êàêîé-òî. Ýòî äåéñòâèòåëüíî ïîõîæå íà çàïðåò ïîêðûøåê. Èëè, íàïðèìåð, åñëè áû Ìèêðîñîôò çàïðåòèëî Íèêñàì èñïîëüçîâàòü îêîííûé èíòåðôåéñ. Õîòÿ, ìíå ýòè ëåñïîëû äà ñòðàòû - íó âàùå íèêóäà íå óïåðëèñü  Headless ðóëÿò, òàê ñêàçàòü ilu, íó óæ íåò. Ãîëîâîé íàäî ïîëüçîâàòüñÿ 
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Äà, ÿ, çàìåòüòå, íå ãîâîðþ, ÷òî îò ýòîé ïåòèöèè áóäåò õîòü êàêîé-òî òîëê 
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Âîò èìåííî ïîýòîìó ÿ è ïðîñèë èìåííî ïåðåâîä! Ýòî-òî ÿ è ïðåäïîëàãàë. Ñìûñë îêàçàëñÿ àáñîëþòíî èñêàæåí (â ïåðåñêàçå)!!! Îêàçûâàåòñÿ ïåòèöèÿ ïðîòèâ ïàòåíòîâàíèÿ êëàññè÷åñêèõ ôîðì ãèòàð. Êîíå÷íî, èõ íåëüçÿ ïàòåíòîâàòü!!! Ýòî âñå ðàâíî ÷òî ìåðèí çàïàòåíòóåò êóçîâ òèïà "ñåäàí", à ôîëüêñâàãåí ñêàæåì, "óíèâåðñàë". Ýòî íåïðàâèëüíî!!! Ïðîñòî Äæèììè, ÿ ñ÷èòàþ, òû ïðàâèëüíî ïîñòóïèë, ÷òî ïðèíåñ íàì ýòó ïåòèöèþ, íî íåïðàâ â òîì, ÷òî ïðèíåñ åå áåç ïåðåâîäà. Åñëè áû òû, êàê Fizik (ðåñïåêò!) âûëîæèë áû ñðàçó è ïåðåâîä, ÿ óâåðåí, ðåàêöèÿ áûëà áû èíîé.
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Fizik respekt za terpenie, userdstvo perevoda. Iz petecii ya prochital 2 paragrafa, dal'she stalo slyshkom skuchno...:( |
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ìîñêâà Les Paul; MusicMan Axis Sport
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Hydromant Òû çàòî åäèíñòâåííûé èç íåïðî÷èòàâøèõ ÷åñòíî â ýòîì ïðèçíàëñÿ. Çà ÷òî è ðåñïåêò òåáå.ilu Íó òàê îíî âåñåëûì, äóìàþ, è íå ïðåäïîëàãàëîñü
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Òåìà: Re: Âñå ïîäïèñûâàåì ïåòèöèþ ïðîòèâ Ãèáñîí è Ôåíäåð!!!
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ÃÈÁÑÎÍ ÐÓËÈÒ ß ÑÀÌ ÍÅÄÀÂÍÎ ÅÃÎ ÊÓÏÈË , ÂÈÄÀÒÜ Ó ÂÀÑ ÄÅÍÅà ÍÀ ÒÀÊÈÅ ÈÍÑÒÐÓÌÅÍÒÛ ÍÅÒ, Íåóäà÷íèêè =))))))) | |
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à âîîáùå äàâàéòå ôîðóì ñäåëàåì íà äðóãóþ òåìó? ðàç ãèòàðû ïèñàòü íåëüçÿ, àôòàð òû äÿòåë. | |
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Òåìà: Re: Âñå ïîäïèñûâàåì ïåòèöèþ ïðîòèâ Ãèáñîí è Ôåíäåð!!!
Âðåìÿ: 14.02.2006 13:57 |
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ÌÑÊ Ãèïñàí 
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Black_Explorer,äåëî íå â äåíüãàõ è ôèðìàõ,à â âûáîðå... òåìáîëåå áûëî ÒÎ×ÍÎ óêàçàíî,÷òî êà÷åñòâî ãèáñàíà è ôåíäåðà ïàäàåò,à ïîñëå ïàòåíòà îíî âîîáùå óéä¸ò â íîëü,òóò ïðîñëåæèâàåò ñÿ àíàëîãèÿ ñ âèíäîé, áîëüøîå ðàñïðîñòðàíåíèå âðåäèò êà÷åñòâó! |
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"ïàòàìó ÷òî åñëè âàëàñàòûõ ìèòàëèçäîâ äîïóñòèòü äî àïïàðàòà, òî îíè çàõâàòÿò Ðîññèþ êàê óæå çàõâàòèëè Ôèíëÿíäèþ"(ñ) VirtuS
"Íà ãèòàðàõ áóäåì äðàòüñÿ? Òîãäà áîþñü ÷òî íàñ áàñèñòû îòìóäîõàþò..."(ñ)ÁÅËÛÉ_ÊÎÒ |
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Òåìà: Re: Âñå ïîäïèñûâàåì ïåòèöèþ ïðîòèâ Ãèáñîí è Ôåíäåð!!!
Âðåìÿ: 03.11.2006 12:46 |
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Òåìà: Re: Âñå ïîäïèñûâàåì ïåòèöèþ ïðîòèâ Ãèáñîí è Ôåíäåð!!!
Âðåìÿ: 03.11.2006 12:50 |
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Ñìîëåíñê - Ñïá Ëþäè ãîâîðÿò - òåíîð 
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Òðóïèê îòêîïàëè!
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Êñòàòè, àâòîð, íå çàáóäü ïðî øàéòàí-êíîïêó "Ïîèñê" â ïðàâîì âåðõíåì óãëó.© Ôåíäåð
ß ðàñùåïëþ âàñ ñâîèì ëàçåðîì! ØåôÚ Ñëóæáû Áåçîïàñíîñòè(×ëåí ñîâåòà äèðåêòîðîâ) ÎÎÎ"Ãëóáîíèçàöèÿ" |
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Âðåìÿ: 03.11.2006 12:51 |
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Òåìà: Re: Âñå ïîäïèñûâàåì ïåòèöèþ ïðîòèâ Ãèáñîí è Ôåíäåð!!!
Âðåìÿ: 03.11.2006 13:09 |
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Ñìîëåíñê - Ñïá Ëþäè ãîâîðÿò - òåíîð
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Êñòàòè, àâòîð, íå çàáóäü ïðî øàéòàí-êíîïêó "Ïîèñê" â ïðàâîì âåðõíåì óãëó.© Ôåíäåð
ß ðàñùåïëþ âàñ ñâîèì ëàçåðîì! ØåôÚ Ñëóæáû Áåçîïàñíîñòè(×ëåí ñîâåòà äèðåêòîðîâ) ÎÎÎ"Ãëóáîíèçàöèÿ" |
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Âðåìÿ: 03.11.2006 13:26 |
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Moskwah-wah-wah Äâà 
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ãðîáîêîïàòåëè íàõ | |
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Òåìà: Re: Âñå ïîäïèñûâàåì ïåòèöèþ ïðîòèâ Ãèáñîí è Ôåíäåð!!!
Âðåìÿ: 03.11.2006 13:32 |
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Êñòàòè, àâòîð, íå çàáóäü ïðî øàéòàí-êíîïêó "Ïîèñê" â ïðàâîì âåðõíåì óãëó.© Ôåíäåð
ß ðàñùåïëþ âàñ ñâîèì ëàçåðîì! ØåôÚ Ñëóæáû Áåçîïàñíîñòè(×ëåí ñîâåòà äèðåêòîðîâ) ÎÎÎ"Ãëóáîíèçàöèÿ" |
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Òåìà: Re: Âñå ïîäïèñûâàåì ïåòèöèþ ïðîòèâ Ãèáñîí è Ôåíäåð!!!
Âðåìÿ: 03.11.2006 13:44 |
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ñîòûéíàõ
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Âðåìÿ: 03.11.2006 13:44 |
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î÷åíü íóæíàÿ ññûëêà, ñðàçó âèäíî ðåáÿòà íå çðÿ âðåìÿ òðàòÿò | |
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Òåìà: Re: Âñå ïîäïèñûâàåì ïåòèöèþ ïðîòèâ Ãèáñîí è Ôåíäåð!!!
Âðåìÿ: 03.11.2006 13:53 |
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Àòîæ åïòà!!!! Ñöûëêà ñöóêî ðóëüíàÿ.......è ñàïø òîæà!!!! 
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Êñòàòè, àâòîð, íå çàáóäü ïðî øàéòàí-êíîïêó "Ïîèñê" â ïðàâîì âåðõíåì óãëó.© Ôåíäåð
ß ðàñùåïëþ âàñ ñâîèì ëàçåðîì! ØåôÚ Ñëóæáû Áåçîïàñíîñòè(×ëåí ñîâåòà äèðåêòîðîâ) ÎÎÎ"Ãëóáîíèçàöèÿ" |
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Òåìà: Re: Âñå ïîäïèñûâàåì ïåòèöèþ ïðîòèâ Ãèáñîí è Ôåíäåð!!!
Âðåìÿ: 03.11.2006 14:26 |
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