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Ïðîäàì ãèòàðó, ïðîäàì ýëåêòðîãèòàðó / êóïëþ ãèòàðó, êóïëþ ýëåêòðîãèòàðó

Çàäàòü íîâóþ òåìó
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ãîðîä: öåíà: Âðåìÿ: 26.12.2006 00:46 



Ðàñïðîäàþ ýëåêòðîãèòàðû YAMAHA :
SF 500 (Super Flighter, ßïîíèÿ, 1979 ãîä, êðàñíîå äåðåâî, ÷åõîë) - 460$
(èíôî î íåé - http://www.yamaha.co.jp/product/guitar/eg/database/sf/sf-500.html)
SL 400 (Studio Lord, ßïîíèÿ, 1980 ãîä, LesPaul, êîæ.÷åõîë) - 630$

- ýëåêòðîãèòàðû FERNANDES:
FGZ 400 (ßïîíèÿ, õîð.ñîñò, ÷åðíàÿ, ÷åõîë) - 290$
FR 75 S (ßïîíèÿ, èäåàë.ñîñò, Sustainer, êîæ.÷åõîë, öâåò - áåëûé) - 420$
ìèäè-ãèòàðà ÑASIO DG-20 (ßïîíèÿ, îòë.ñîñò) - 250$
áàñ-ãèòàðà FERNANDES FRB-42 BASS (ñèíèé sunburst ñ àýðîãðàôèåé "ïîäâîäíûé ìèð", ßïîíèÿ, 24 ëàäà, íîâûé, çèìíèé ÷åõîë) - 390$ (â "ìèðå ìóçûêè" - 530$ áåç ÷åõëà)*

ïî çàïðîñó âûøëþ ôîòî, îáðàçöû çâó÷àíèÿ è èñòîðèþ ëþáîãî èíñòðóìåíòà
Êîíòàêòû: 8-901-5ÇÇ9156 (ìîáèëüíûé, ã. ìîñêâà), jazzkontakt[ñîáàíÿ]mail.ru
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Âðåìÿ: 26.12.2006 19:02 



Êèíü ïîæàëóéñòà ôîòî fernandes ñ ñóñòåéíåðîì è äîêóìåíòû ïîäòâåðæäàþùèå, ÷òî ýòî èç ÿïîíèè, çíàþ êèòàéñêèé è ñìîãó îïðåäåëèòü èç êàêîé ñòðàíû...
(íàñêîëüêî ÿ çíàþ ñóñòåéíåð ñòàâèòñÿ ïîêà òîëüêî â êèòàéñêèõ ãèòàðàõ)
z-773@mail.ru
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Âðåìÿ: 26.12.2006 22:37 



àõàõàõàõà!!! êèäàþ ôîòêè! ;-)
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Âðåìÿ: 27.12.2006 00:47 



Ñïàñèáî çà ôîòîãðàôèè è çàïèñè, íî ÿ, êñîæàëåíèþ, íå ïîëó÷èë ïîäòâåðæäåíèÿ å¸ ïðîèçâîäñòâà â ßïîíèè, òàê ÷òî ïðîñòèòå, íî ìåíÿ íå óñòðàåâàåò...
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Âðåìÿ: 27.12.2006 01:54 



äåéñòâèòåëüíî, ó ìåíÿ íåò îïåðàòèâíîé âèäåîñüåìêè, êàê åå ñòðîãàëè. ÿ è â ÿïîíèè-òî íå áûë íèêîãäà ;-)

åñëè Âàì ïî äåëó èíòåðåñíî - ñúåçäèòå â "ìèð ìóçûêè" è ïîëó÷èòå âñþ èíòåðåñóþùóþ èíôîðìàöèþ, ÷òî òàêîå ôåðíàíäåñ, ãäå åãî äåëàþò, êòî è ïî÷åìó ñòàâèò ñóñòåéíåð è òä. Çíàíèÿ, õîòÿ áû ìèíèìàëüíûå, íèêîìó åùå íå âðåäèëè.

âîò ëèíê -
http://www.slami.ru/netcat/modules/catalog/GRP17641
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Âðåìÿ: 29.12.2006 22:24 



Ñïàñòáî óæå òàì áûë ñêàçàëè fernandes - âñå êèòàé
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Âðåìÿ: 30.12.2006 02:09 



Âàðèàíòà äâà: ëèáî Âû ëæåö, ëèáî Âàì íàâðàëè, ÷òîáû èçáàâèòüñÿ îò ðàçäðàæàþùåãî ïîêóïàòåëÿ.
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Âðåìÿ: 30.12.2006 02:50 



Ïî÷èòàéòå î ãèòàðàõ ôåðíàíäåñ:

http://fernandesguitars.com/aboutus.html

http://www.guitarsjapan.com/about.html






HISTORY




From The Land Of The Rising Sun
Fernandes Guitars began in Japan in 1969 building Flamenco guitars. As the company flourished, it expanded production to include more acoustic guitars, electric guitars, basses, amplifiers and accessories to become the biggest guitar manufacturer in Japan.



The California Connection
In 1992, following the history of success in Asia, Fernandes USA opened its doors in Los Angeles, California and quickly established a presence in the American guitar market by offering quality instruments at affordable prices.

Innovation & Tradition
By 1996 the Fernandes USA Custom Shop expanded the scope with further development in guitar craftsmanship. With models like the Ravelle and Nomad, and with the Sustainer System technology, our Research and Development Department strived to find new ways to define the way the world plays guitar. Catering to everyone from the first-time buyer to the seasoned pro, Fernandes offers many options to meet their needs. An invaluable understanding of the guitar player fuels our strong commitment to the consumer and the quality they demand. It is this approach that helped to establish Fernandes Guitars as the leading guitar manufacturer in Japan and to become a competitive manufacturer in the American Market.



Rules Were Meant To Be Broken
Using the elements of traditional style with contemporary technique, Fernandes continues to provide a unique voice for today¹s musician, pushing the limits of guitar manufacturing with innovative body shapes and hardware configurations. Guitar players demand vintage feel with modern looks and Fernandes Guitars supplies the best of both worlds without compromise. Fernandes is the key to defining your sound by taking it to an entirely new level.



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Âðåìÿ: 30.12.2006 08:44 
Ìîñêâà
ãèòàðà - Èîëàíà - Ñòàð - 9, Ìóçèìà Ýòåðíà, PRS USA

íè äëÿ êîãî íè ñåêðåò ÷òî ÔÅÐÍÀÍÄÅÑ äåëàþò â Êèòàå, êàê è ìíîãèå äðóãèå âåëèêîëåïíûå ãèòàðû, â îòëè÷èè îò ÿïîíöåâ è êîðåéöåâ ýòè ïóòåâûå ðåáÿòà ñòàâÿò êà÷åñòâåííîå äåðåâî ñîîòâåòñòâóþùåå ñòàíäàðòàì.
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Âðåìÿ: 30.12.2006 08:45 
Ìîñêâà
ãèòàðà - Èîëàíà - Ñòàð - 9, Ìóçèìà Ýòåðíà, PRS USA

à òî ÷òî ïèøóò êîñîãëàçûå - ýòî íå ñòîèò è ÷èòàòü.
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Âðåìÿ: 30.12.2006 14:38 



Miks: Îòó÷àéòåñü ãîâîðèòü çà âñåõ. Êîìó ÷òî èçâåñòíî?

Åñëè ó Âàñ åñòü êàêàÿ èíôîðìàöèÿ, äàâàéòå ññûëêè, ïðî÷òó îáÿçàòåëüíî. Èëè ýòî Êîëüêà Âîâêå âî äâîðå ñêàçàë?
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Âðåìÿ: 30.12.2006 15:08 



Ïî÷èòàéòå åùå:

http://www.guitar.ru/board/3/theme-21725-1.html

http://basstream.ru/index.php?topic=42970.0

fernandes.co.jp

Êàêèå æå èñòî÷íèêè èíôîðìàöèè ó Âàñ?
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Âðåìÿ: 30.12.2006 15:50 
Ìîñêâà
ãèòàðà - Èîëàíà - Ñòàð - 9, Ìóçèìà Ýòåðíà, PRS USA

âñå Ôåðíàíäåñû ñäåëàííûå çà ïîñëåäíèå ëåò 15 è ñòîèìîñòüþ äî 1000 áàêñîâ ÷òî ÿ âèäåë áûëè ñäåëàíû íèêàê íè â ßïîíèè.
Õîòÿ ÿ ëè÷íî íå âèæó ðàçíèöû, åñòü íà ñâåòå àìåðèêàíñêèå ãèòàðû è âñå îñòàëüíûå, íåò áîëüøîé ðàçíèöû ìåæäó Êîðååé, ßïîíèåé è Êèòàåì.
À òîò êòî ñåáÿ óâàæàåò íå áóäåò âåðèòü èíôîðìàöèè â èíåòå.
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Âðåìÿ: 30.12.2006 16:09 



2 Ìèêñ: ïîëàãàþ Âû âèäåëè íå ÂÑÅ ôåðíàíäåñû, ñäåëàííûå çà ïîñëåäíèå ëåò 15, à íåñêîëüêî èç íèõ, òàê?

>áûëè ñäåëàíû íèêàê íè â ßïîíèè.
Îòêóäà òàêîé âûâîä? Âû ïðîñòî ÿçûê ÷åøåòå èëè ìîæåòå ïîäòâåðäèòü?

>Õîòÿ ÿ ëè÷íî íå âèæó ðàçíèöû, åñòü íà ñâåòå àìåðèêàíñêèå ãèòàðû è âñå îñòàëüíûå, íåò áîëüøîé ðàçíèöû ìåæäó Êîðååé, ßïîíèåé è Êèòàåì.

Ýòî êîìó êàê. Êðîìå òîãî, åñòü åãèïåòñêèå ïëÿæè è âñå îñòàëüíûå, åñòü áðàçèëüñêàÿ âîäêà è âñÿ îñòàëüíàÿ, åñòü èñïàíñêèå àâòîìîáèëè è âñå îñòàëüíûå.  ÷åì ñìûñë Âàøèõ ñëîâ?

>À òîò êòî ñåáÿ óâàæàåò íå áóäåò âåðèòü èíôîðìàöèè â èíåòå

×åìó æå, ïî âàøåìó, íàäî äîâåðÿòü, åñëè íå ñàéòó ïðîèçâîäèòåëÿ è ïîñòàâùèêîâ?

 ïåðâóþ î÷åðåäü, òîò êòî ñåáÿ óâàæàåò, òîëüêî óëûáíåòñÿ íà Âàøèì áàëàáîëüñòâîì "â èíåòå".
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Âðåìÿ: 30.12.2006 16:44 
Ìîñêâà
ãèòàðà - Èîëàíà - Ñòàð - 9, Ìóçèìà Ýòåðíà, PRS USA

ñêàæåì òàê, èíôîðìàöèÿ îò ëþäåé ðàáîòàþùèõ ñ "Ôåðíàíäåñ", áëàãîäàðÿ êîòîðûì ýòè ãèòàðû ïðèõîäÿò â Ðîññèþ.
À ñàì ëè÷íî ÿ ðàçîáðàë øòóê 20 ãèòàð (ïðè÷åì è 15 ëåòíåé äàâíîñòè) êîìïëåêòóþùèå ÿïîíñêèå, ñáîðêà Êèòàé, Êîðåÿ.
Èëè òû äóìàåøü ÿ ÷èòàòü íå óìåþ?
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Âðåìÿ: 30.12.2006 18:05 



Íó, áëàãîäàðÿ ìíå ïðèõîäèò ôåðíàíäåñ â ðîññèè.
Ïðèâîçÿò èç ÿïîíèè åãî. ßïîíñêàÿ ìàðêà, ÿïîíñêàÿ ñáîðêà.

ß íå çíàþ, çà÷åì Âû ðàçáèðàëè ãèòàðû â ïðîìûøëåííûõ êîëè÷åñòâàõ, íî íà êîìïëåêòóþùèõ ôåðíàíäåñ íå óêàçûâàåò ñòðàíó-ïðîèçâîäèòåëü.
Êîëêè Gotoh, êîòîðûå îíè èñïîëüçóþò, ïðîèçâîäÿòñÿ â ÿïîíèè.
Ñèñòåìà "ñóñòåéíåð" - âîîáùå íîó-õàó êîìïàíèè.

Íè ìàñòåðà íè ñáîðùèêè íèêàêèõ ìåòîê íà ôåðíàíäåñàõ íå ñòàâÿò. Êàê Âû ðàñïîçíàëè èõ íàöèîíàëüíîñòü - çàãàäêà.

×èòàòü Âû íå óìååòå, òîëüêî ïèñàòü.
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Âðåìÿ: 30.12.2006 19:37 
Ìîñêâà
ãèòàðà - Èîëàíà - Ñòàð - 9, Ìóçèìà Ýòåðíà, PRS USA

Òû õî÷åøü ñêàçàòü ÷òî âñ÷å çàêóïêè Ôåðíàíäåñ ÷åðåç òåáÿ èäóò?

âûâåñè ôîòî ãðèôà ãäå âûáèòî MADE IN JAPAN, èëè íà êðàéíÿê ïÿòêó ñ âûáèòûìè äàííûìè.
Åñëè ïàëêè ïðèõîäÿò â êîðîáêàõ íà êîòîðûõ íàïèñàíî ñäåëàíî â Êèòàå, ýòî ìàðêåòèíãîâûé õîä?
Íà ÷åõëàõ MADE IN KOREA.
Íî äàæå íå ýòî ãëàâíîå - ãëàâíîå ÖÅÍÀ.
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Âðåìÿ: 30.12.2006 19:39 
Ìîñêâà
ãèòàðà - Èîëàíà - Ñòàð - 9, Ìóçèìà Ýòåðíà, PRS USA

íå ìîæåò ãèòàðà ñäåëàííàÿ â ßïîíèè ñòîèòü 150-200 áàêñîâ, à ýòî çàêóïî÷íàÿ öåíà 90% Ôåðíàíäåñîâ.
Èëè òû ýòî òîæå íå çíàåøü?
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Âðåìÿ: 30.12.2006 19:41 
Ìîñêâà
ãèòàðà - Èîëàíà - Ñòàð - 9, Ìóçèìà Ýòåðíà, PRS USA

ß íå çíàë ÷òî ó âëàäåëüöà "ÑËÀÌÈ" ïîãðåìóõà Ñêåëåò.
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Âðåìÿ: 30.12.2006 19:54 



ß ïðîñòî íå ïîìíþ, êàêèì áîêîì ìû ñ Âàìè çíàêîìû, ÷òîáû ìåíÿ íà "òû" óïîðíî íàçûâàòü.

Âûâåñèòå ôîòî ãðèôà ãäå âûáèòî MADE IN CHINA, èëè íà êðàéíÿê ïÿòêó ñ âûáèòûìè äàííûìè.

>Åñëè ïàëêè ïðèõîäÿò â êîðîáêàõ íà êîòîðûõ íàïèñàíî ñäåëàíî â >Kèòàå, ýòî ìàðêåòèíãîâûé õîä?

Ìíå ãèòàðû ïðèâîçÿò â ÷åõëàõ. ß íå çíàþ, äëÿ ÷åãî Âû áåðåòå "ïàëêè" è çàòåì ðàçáèðàåòå èõ (èç òðåõ ñîáèðàåòå îäíó?)
è, åñëè ÷åñòíî, ìíå íèêàêîãî íåò äåëà äî ýòîãî.

>Íà ÷åõëàõ MADE IN KOREA.

×åõëû øèòü â êîðåå èëè êèòàå íåäîïóñòèìî, ïî Âàøåìó?

>Íî äàæå íå ýòî ãëàâíîå - ãëàâíîå ÖÅÍÀ.

Fernandes íîâûé ñòîèò â ÿïîíèè îò 45000 éåí è âûøå.
Ãäå Âû áåðåòå "ïàëêè" ïî 150, ìíå íåèçâåñòíî.
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Âðåìÿ: 30.12.2006 20:18 
Ìîñêâà
ãèòàðà - Èîëàíà - Ñòàð - 9, Ìóçèìà Ýòåðíà, PRS USA

http://www.guitarplayer.ru/forum/index.php?topic=42530.0

÷èòàòü è ñìàòðåòü çäåñü.

Áîáåð, ñ òåáÿ ïðè÷èòàåòñÿ çà ðåêëàìó Ôåðíàíäåñ .
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Âðåìÿ: 30.12.2006 20:27 
Ìîñêâà
ãèòàðà - Èîëàíà - Ñòàð - 9, Ìóçèìà Ýòåðíà, PRS USA

ÑÌÀÒÐÅÒÜ ÅÙÅ

http://www.guitarplayer.ru/forum/index.php?topic=42536.0
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Âðåìÿ: 30.12.2006 20:30 
Ìîñêâà
ãèòàðà - Èîëàíà - Ñòàð - 9, Ìóçèìà Ýòåðíà, PRS USA

À ÍÀÑ×ÅÒ ÒÛ-ÂÛ

1 ÌÛ ÍÀ ÌÓÇÛÊÀËÜÍÎÌ ÔÎÐÓÌÅ - ÝÒÎ ÏÐÈÍßÒÎÅ ÎÁÐÀÙÅÍÈÅ ÂÅÇÄÅ - ÒÛ.
2 ÈËÈ ÒÛ ÕÎ×ÅØÜ ×ÒÎÁÛ ß Ê ÑÊÅËÅÒÓ ÍÀ ÂÛ ÎÁÐÀÙÀËÑß?
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Âðåìÿ: 30.12.2006 20:32 
Ìîñêâà
ãèòàðà - Èîëàíà - Ñòàð - 9, Ìóçèìà Ýòåðíà, PRS USA

È ÅÙÅ Ó×ÒÈ ×ÒÎ ÏÐÈÌÅÐÍÎ 70% ÎÒ ÝÒÎÉ ÖÅÍÛ ÈÄÅÒ ÍÀ ÏÅÐÅÂÎÇÊÓ ,ÐÀÑÒÀÌÎÆÊÓ È ÍÀËÎÃÈ.
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Âðåìÿ: 30.12.2006 23:22 



Õîðîøî, ÿ ñ Âàøåé ïîìîùüþ óâèäåë îáúÿâëåíèå ã-íà Áîáðà î ïðîäàæå íåñêîëüêèõ ôåðíàíäåñîâ. ×òî äàëüøå?

Îáðàùàòüñÿ ê íåçíàêîìîìó ÷åëîâåêó ìîæåòå, êàê Âàì çàáëàãîðàññóäèòñÿ. Î÷íîå îáùåíèå ÷åìó-òî íàó÷èò.
ß ìîãó Âàì ïîìî÷ü åùå ÷åì-òî, èëè Âû äîñòàòî÷íî ðàçâëåêëèñü, êîììåíòèðóÿ ìîå îáúÿâëåíèå?
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Ðàñïðîäàþ ýëåêòðîãèòàðû (âñ¸ - ÿïîíèÿ!) - !
Âðåìÿ: 31.12.2006 10:24 
Ìîñêâà
ãèòàðà - Èîëàíà - Ñòàð - 9, Ìóçèìà Ýòåðíà, PRS USA

ÿ ïðîñòî ñàì íà ýòîì îáæåãñÿ îäèí ðàç, ïðîäàâ Ôåðíàíäåñ êàê ÿïîíñêèé (ãèòàðå áûëî ëåò 20), à ïîòîì óçíàë ÷òî îí äàëåêî íå ÿïîíñêèé.
Ïðîñòî ñòðàíó ïðîèçâîäèòåëü íå ñòîèò óêàçûâàòü â ïîäîáíûõ ñëó÷àÿõ.
ß ïðîäàþ ßìàõè âåðõíåé ëèíåéêè, êîòîðûå ïîêðó÷å ëþáûõ ÿïîíñêèõ ãèòàð, íî ñîáðàíû íà Òàéâàíå è îò ýòîãî õóæå è äåøåâëå îíè íå ñòàíóò.
Ñ íàñòóïàþùèì Íîâûì Ãîäîì, è óäà÷è!
Miks.
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Ðàñïðîäàþ ýëåêòðîãèòàðû (âñ¸ - ÿïîíèÿ!) - !
Âðåìÿ: 31.12.2006 16:57 



ß óæå ïî÷òè ìåñÿö ïûòàþñü ó Âàñ óçíàòü: ÎÒÊÓÄÀ ÂÛ ÂÇßËÈ èíôîðìàöèþ. Êðîìå ñëîâ ñòîðîííèõ ëþäåé (Âû äàæå íå óêàçàëè, ÷üèõ èìåííî), íè÷åãî íå ïðèâåäåíî.

Ãèòàðû ÿìàõè âåðõíåé ëèíåéêè (îò 500-ûõ è ââåðõ), ñóäÿ ïî ìàðêèðîâêå, ïðîèçâîäÿòñÿ â ßïîíèè.

È ÷òî ßìàõè, ÷òî Ôåðíàíäåñû - èíñòðóìåíòû îòëè÷íûå, íåÿñíî çà÷åì èõ ãðÿçüþ ïîëèâàòü, è çà÷åì ýòî äåëàåòå èìåííî Âû, òîæå íåÿñíî.

Óäà÷è Âàì â Íîâîì Ãîäó è æåëàþ çàíèìàòüñÿ òîëüêî íóæíûìè è õîðîøèìè äåëàìè.
 ýòîò ôîðóì ìîãóò ïèñàòü òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûå ïîëüçîâàòåëè!