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Âðåìÿ: 14.03.2009 08:28 
metro
Kurzweil, Yamaha

 îñíîâíîì ýêñïåðèìåíòèðîâàë ÔÏ òåìáðîì - Full Bloom Piano(kurzweil ME-1), íî åñòü è Stereo Grand(07 08 12), Pianetta(11), Warm Grand(09), è pc88(14).
ÝÏ òîæå ðàçíûå, æàëü íåçàïèñàë - Soft Wurly(â÷åðà òîëüêî åãî íàø¸ë), êàê-òî ìíå ëó÷øèé - Clean Soft!
Íåêîòîðûå ÔÏ/ÝÏ òåìáðû íå ïî-õàðàêòåðó, ïîñëóøàéòå êîìó àêòóàëüíî. Âîîáùåì Stereo Grand - ýòî âåñ¸ëûé ìàæîðíûé çâóê, à Full Bloom Piano - ñóïòèëüíûé ïðîçðà÷íûé... .

01. Smoke gets in your eyes http://www.sendspace.com/file/9wj917
02. Dream a little dream of me http://www.sendspace.com/file/cglgwu
03. Quiet nights of quiet stars http://www.sendspace.com/file/0ne5qr
04. Little boat http://www.sendspace.com/file/n5ovdn
05. All of me http://www.sendspace.com/file/311e63
06. Black Orpheus http://www.sendspace.com/file/kppv1g
07. The shadow of your smile http://www.sendspace.com/file/znijp1
08. Don't get around much anymore http://www.sendspace.com/file/uxepw6
09. Blue bossa http://www.sendspace.com/file/ni8wjz
10. Feelings http://www.sendspace.com/file/3w6k0a
11. Lullaby of birland http://www.sendspace.com/file/39xe01
12. Wach what happens http://www.sendspace.com/file/ehi314
13. Champs Elysees http://www.sendspace.com/file/5nik05
14. Bossa nova USA http://www.sendspace.com/file/bpyj4y
15. Yesterday http://www.sendspace.com/file/m9ekdy
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Âðåìÿ: 14.03.2009 11:30 
Moskau
ìíîãî âñÿêèõ)

Ìíå íðà ^__^

Íà÷àëî 02 - íàïîìíèëî çâóêîì Vangelis - La Petite Fille De La Mer

Ñïàñèáî)
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Âðåìÿ: 14.03.2009 16:58 
Ìîñêâà
Moog, Nordlead, Ion, BassStation

Õîòü è íå ìîé ëþáèìûé ñòèëü, íî ìåñòàìè èíòåðåñíî :)
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Âðåìÿ: 14.03.2009 17:53 
metro
Kurzweil, Yamaha

>Íà÷àëî 02 - íàïîìíèëî çâóêîì Vangelis - La Petite Fille De La Mer
>
>Ñïàñèáî)

Âàì ñïàñèáî(à åñëè åù¸ ïîäñêàæèòå ãäå èíòåðåñíûå ìîìåíòû èëè êîòîðàÿ ìåëîäèÿ áîëåå èíòåðåñíàÿ ...)

>Õîòü è íå ìîé ëþáèìûé ñòèëü, íî ìåñòàìè èíòåðåñíî

ìíå ãëàâíîå ÔÏ, à ñòèëü íàäî ïîèñêàòü ò.å. íóæíû èäåè.
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Âðåìÿ: 16.03.2009 10:30 
Ìîñêâà
Moog, Nordlead, Ion, BassStation

>ìíå ãëàâíîå ÔÏ, à ñòèëü íàäî ïîèñêàòü ò.å. íóæíû èäåè.

Äà ñòèëü òî áîã ñ íèì. Îäíèì ïîíðàâèòñÿ îäíî, äðóãèì äðóãîå.
Ïî ïîâîäó òåìáðîâ è ñàìèõ êîìïîçèöèé: ìíå, íàïðèìåð, ýï-øíûé çâóê ñ 05é î÷åíü ïîíðàâèëñÿ (è ñàìà êîìïîçèöèÿ õîðîøà) Åùå â íåêîòîðûõ òåìàõ ìåëüêàåò ýï, íåìíîãî ïîìÿã÷å, òîæå î÷åíü õîðîøåå.
Èç ÔÏ áîëüøå âñåãî ïîðàäîâàëî òî, ÷òî çâó÷èò â 14é. Î÷åíü âûðàçèòåëüíûé, ÿðêèé çâóê. Îñòàëüíûå ÔÏ êàêèå-òî "âÿëûå", ïî ñðàâíåíèþ ñ íèì.

Íó è, êîíå÷íî, yesterday - õîòü òåìà è çàåçæåííàÿ, íî ïîñëóøàòü âñåãäà ïðèÿòíî :)
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Òåìà: Re: Çàïèñàë CD! 15 ïèàíî-ìåëîäèè(êóðöåâñêèì ÔÏ/ÝÏ)
Âðåìÿ: 16.03.2009 12:54 



Òî rollland.

Ïàðäîí,ñòàðèíà: íå ñëûøàë/ñëóøàë-íî íå ñîìíåâàþñü,÷òî âñ¸ ñûãðàíî ìèëî è ïîýòè÷íî! :)

Óäà÷è â òâî¸ì êóðöåòâîð÷åñòâå! :super:
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Òåìà: Re: Çàïèñàë CD! 15 ïèàíî-ìåëîäèè(êóðöåâñêèì ÔÏ/ÝÏ)
Âðåìÿ: 16.03.2009 16:16 
metro
Kurzweil, Yamaha

> .. ýï-øíûé çâóê ñ 05é î÷åíü ïîíðàâèëñÿ

ÿñíî.. - òàì "wurly road"(õèáðèä ðîäåñà è âóðëè)

>Èç ÔÏ áîëüøå âñåãî ïîðàäîâàëî òî, ÷òî çâó÷èò â 14é.

áëèí, âñ¸ æå pc88 êîíêðåòíåå çâó÷èò..., - Ñïàñèáî!
Íî ýòîò çâóê î÷åíü "ðàçðûâàåò" óøè è äèíàìèêè. À ìíå "ôóë áëóì" áîëüøå íðàâèñÿ.


> .. íå ñëûøàë/ñëóøàë-íî íå ñîìíåâàþñü,÷òî âñ¸ ñûãðàíî ìèëî è ïîýòè÷íî!
>
>Óäà÷è â òâî¸ì êóðöåòâîð÷åñòâå!

Ñïàñèáî ÒÈÕÎÍ çà äîâåðèÿ) - ñûãðàííî ìèëî :1: ïîñëóøàé ..(òîëüêî îøèáêè íåñëóøàé)


...
Óñïåë åù¸ îíó âåñ¸ëóþ ìåëîäèþ äîáàâèòü(it's all right with me), òàì åñòü è ýï "Soft Wurly"!
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Òåìà: Re: Çàïèñàë CD! 15 ïèàíî-ìåëîäèè(êóðöåâñêèì ÔÏ/ÝÏ)
Âðåìÿ: 16.03.2009 20:02 
metro
Kurzweil, Yamaha

âîò îíà:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/cq804g
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Âðåìÿ: 16.03.2009 21:20 
Êèåâ
Crocuta

ýýõ,æàëü èíòåðíåò íå ïîçâîëÿåò ïîñëóøàòü!(
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Âðåìÿ: 16.03.2009 23:16 



>ýýõ,æàëü èíòåðíåò íå ïîçâîëÿåò ïîñëóøàòü!(


Àãà,òà æå áåäà... :)
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Òåìà: Re: Çàïèñàë CD! 15 ïèàíî-ìåëîäèè(êóðöåâñêèì ÔÏ/ÝÏ)
Âðåìÿ: 17.03.2009 03:06 
metro
Kurzweil, Yamaha

>Èç ÔÏ áîëüøå âñåãî ïîðàäîâàëî òî, ÷òî çâó÷èò â 14é. Î÷åíü âûðàçèòåëüíûé, ÿðêèé çâóê. Îñòàëüíûå ÔÏ êàêèå-òî "âÿëûå", ïî ñðàâíåíèþ ñ íèì.

Ïî-ìîåìó ýòà "âÿëîñòü" íàçûâàåòñÿ - ãëóáèíà(êëàññè÷åñêîãî çâóêà), â pc-88(14) å¸ íåòó.
È åù¸ - ôóë áëóì çâóê ïî-êðóïíåå!!
Âÿëîñòü íàâåðíî îò õîðóñà(10%), î÷åíü íåõî÷åòñÿ åãî óáèðàòü, îí íåìíîãî óêðàøàåò ýòó ãëóáèíó.
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Òåìà: Re: Çàïèñàë CD! 15 ïèàíî-ìåëîäèè(êóðöåâñêèì ÔÏ/ÝÏ)
Âðåìÿ: 17.03.2009 03:38 
Âëàäèâîñòîê
ÒÝÑÝ 10.XS MOTIF.ÐÑ- 88.Ê2000R fully loaded.

Ñìîòðåë íà DVD òðèî Ïàòèòóò÷è.Ïèàíèñò èãðàåò íà ÐÑ-88 åãî(ðñ88) çâóêàì###àïèñü 2000-õ ãîäîâ.Çàêðûâàåøü ãëàçà-ïîëíîå âïå÷àòëåíèå,÷òî çâó÷èò õîðîøèé àêóñòè÷åñêèé ðîÿëü.Çàìå÷àòåëüíûé èíñòðóìåíò.
I am tired but I am trying to go on and on.
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Òåìà: Re: Çàïèñàë CD! 15 ïèàíî-ìåëîäèè(êóðöåâñêèì ÔÏ/ÝÏ)
Âðåìÿ: 17.03.2009 10:44 
Ìîñêâà
Moog, Nordlead, Ion, BassStation

>Ïî-ìîåìó ýòà "âÿëîñòü" íàçûâàåòñÿ - ãëóáèíà(êëàññè÷åñêîãî çâóêà), â pc-88(14) å¸ íåòó.

Íó íå ñêàæèòå, íàïðèìåð ïèàíèíî â 09é è â ìåðó íàñûùåííîå è â ìåðó ãëóáîêîå :) Íî 14å âñÿ ðàâíî "ïîñèëüíåå". Íàäî áðàòü PC88! (ìíå) :)
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Òåìà: Re: Çàïèñàë CD! 15 ïèàíî-ìåëîäèè(êóðöåâñêèì ÔÏ/ÝÏ)
Âðåìÿ: 17.03.2009 12:05 
Âëàäèâîñòîê
ÒÝÑÝ 10.XS MOTIF.ÐÑ- 88.Ê2000R fully loaded.

Õîðîøèé âûáîð.
I am tired but I am trying to go on and on.
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Òåìà: Re: Çàïèñàë CD! 15 ïèàíî-ìåëîäèè(êóðöåâñêèì ÔÏ/ÝÏ)
Âðåìÿ: 17.03.2009 13:47 
metro
Kurzweil, Yamaha

> .. Ïèàíèñò èãðàåò íà ÐÑ-88 åãî(ðñ88) çâóêàì###àïèñü 2000-õ ãîäîâ.Çàêðûâàåøü ãëàçà-ïîëíîå âïå÷àòëåíèå,÷òî çâó÷èò õîðîøèé àêóñòè÷åñêèé ðîÿëü. ..

ß óæå íåçíàþ êîòîðûé ôï ëó÷øå, - PC-88 èëè òðèïë-ñòðàéê.
PC-88 - "îáùåñòâåííûé" çâóê!, òðèïë-ñòðàéê - "èíäèâèäóàëüíûé", íà íåì ïðèÿòíåå èãðàòü è ñëóøàòü îäíîìó ..(ìåäèòàöèÿ)
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Òåìà: Re: Çàïèñàë CD! 15 ïèàíî-ìåëîäèè(êóðöåâñêèì ÔÏ/ÝÏ)
Âðåìÿ: 17.03.2009 14:16 
Âëàäèâîñòîê
ÒÝÑÝ 10.XS MOTIF.ÐÑ- 88.Ê2000R fully loaded.

Ó ÐÑ-88-çâóê ïðàâäèâûé,à ýòî ãëàâíîå.
I am tired but I am trying to go on and on.
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Òåìà: Re: Çàïèñàë CD! 15 ïèàíî-ìåëîäèè(êóðöåâñêèì ÔÏ/ÝÏ)
Âðåìÿ: 17.03.2009 18:02 
metro
Kurzweil, Yamaha

>Ó ÐÑ-88-çâóê ïðàâäèâûé,à ýòî ãëàâíîå.

óæå íà÷àë ïåðåïèñûâàòü íåêîòîðûå êîìïîçèöèè íà pc-88 ...

Black Orpheus:http://www.sendspace.com/file/ljyh2s
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Òåìà: Re: Çàïèñàë CD! 15 ïèàíî-ìåëîäèè(êóðöåâñêèì ÔÏ/ÝÏ)
Âðåìÿ: 17.03.2009 18:44 
Ìîñêâà
Moog, Nordlead, Ion, BassStation

>ß óæå íåçíàþ êîòîðûé ôï ëó÷øå, - PC-88 èëè òðèïë-ñòðàéê.

Ëó÷øå âñåãäà òîò, êîòîðûé ïîä íàñòðîåíèå :)
Ó ìåíÿ, ê ñîæàëåíèþ, íåò ñèíòåçàòîðà ñ ôîðòåïèàííûìè òåìáðàìè, ïðèõîäèòñÿ ñîôò èñïîëüçîâàòü (NI acoustic piano), - ìíîæåñòâî ïðåêðàñíûõ çâóêîâ ïîä ëþáîé äóøåâíûé íàñòðîé. Íî ÿ áû íå íàçâàë êàêèå-òî èç ïîäñëóøàííûõ ó Rolland'a òåìáðîâ íåêà÷åñòâåííûìè, ïðîñòî ìíå ñåé÷àñ áîëüøå èìïîíèðóåò pc-88.

À êàê âîîáùå ó êóðöåâ PC88 (èëè PC1SE, åñëè ïîâåçåò, êóïëþ åãî) ñ ðàçíîîáðàçèåì ÔÏ? ß òàê ïîíèìàþ, ÷àñòè÷íî ýòîò íàáîð ñîâïàäàåò ñ ME-1?
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Òåìà: Re: Çàïèñàë CD! 15 ïèàíî-ìåëîäèè(êóðöåâñêèì ÔÏ/ÝÏ)
Âðåìÿ: 17.03.2009 21:22 
Äíåïðîïåòðîâñê
Nord Stage

PC88 ñîâïàäàåò ñ MicroPiano (êàæåòñÿ ÷àñòè÷íî).
PC1SE - ñ MicroEnsemble (ME-1). Íàáîð ñîâïàäàåò ïîëíîñòüþ, èñêëþ÷àÿ çâóêè ñ ïëàò ðàñøèðåíèÿ.
Ðîÿëüíûõ ïðåñåòîâ ìíîãî, íî âñå îíè ñëîæåíû èç îäíèõ è òåõ æå ñåìïëîâ. Ìíîãèì äàæå íå ïîíÿòíî çà÷åì ñòîëüêî ïîõîæèõ ïðåñåòîâ. Íàâåðíîå òîëüêî rollland íàøåë ñòîëüêî îòëè÷èé ìåæäó íèìè. :-) Âîáùåì-òî ãëàâíîå, ÷òî îíè âñå-òàêè åñòü!
ÌÅ-1 ñîäåðæèò è ñòðóííûå ñåìïëû, è äóõîâûå, ýë.ïèàíî, îðãàííûå, ñèíòåçàòîðíûå, áàðàáàííûå, ïåðêóñèîííûå.
 ÌÐ êàæåòñÿ òîëüêî êëàâèøíûå (àêóñò.ïèàíî, ýë.ïèàíî, îðãàíû).
«Íóæíî ìíîãî âðåìåíè, ÷òîáû èãðàòü òàê, êàê òû ñàì» - Ìàéëç.
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Âðåìÿ: 20.03.2009 14:13 
1-9-9
... è Roland: 700SX, X7, A33, KC550.

 àðõèâàõ ìîæò äîñòóïíåå áûëî äëÿ çàêà÷êè? Ó ìåíÿ ÷åãî-òî ìï3-øêè êà÷àòüñÿ ïåðåñòàëè. (÷òî ãäå íàæàë? õûõ ... :tuba: )
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Òåìà: Re: Çàïèñàë CD! 15 ïèàíî-ìåëîäèè(êóðöåâñêèì ÔÏ/ÝÏ)
Âðåìÿ: 20.03.2009 16:06 
metro
Kurzweil, Yamaha

>PC88 ñîâïàäàåò ñ MicroPiano (êàæåòñÿ ÷àñòè÷íî).

òî÷íåå - MP ñîâïàäàåò ñ SP88!
 PC88 ãîâîðÿò ïî-ëó÷øå ôï-íàñòðîéêè(òåìáðà Sustain Piano).

>Ðîÿëüíûõ ïðåñåòîâ ìíîãî, íî âñå îíè ñëîæåíû èç îäíèõ è òåõ æå ñåìïëîâ. Ìíîãèì äàæå íå ïîíÿòíî çà÷åì ñòîëüêî ïîõîæèõ ïðåñåòîâ.

Ïî-ìîåìó îíè ñîâåðøåííî ðàçíûå!, ðàíüøå ìíå êàçàëîñü ïîõîæèå Stereo Grand è Grand Piano 440, íî è îíè î÷åíü ðàçíûå îêàçûâàåòñÿ.


...
> àðõèâàõ ìîæò äîñòóïíåå áûëî äëÿ çàêà÷êè?

À "â àðõèâàõ" - ýòî ãäå?
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Òåìà: Re: Çàïèñàë CD! 15 ïèàíî-ìåëîäèè(êóðöåâñêèì ÔÏ/ÝÏ)
Âðåìÿ: 20.03.2009 16:32 
1-9-9
... è Roland: 700SX, X7, A33, KC550.

>...ýòî ãäå?

Ëó÷øå êàê. :) Îòâåò ïîïðîùå. Â êàêîì âèäå, èáí ôîðìàòå, àëÿ îáðàáîòàíî ïðèëîæåíèåì.
íå *.mp3, à *.rar, èëè *.zip, è ïðî÷åå...
Àðõèâû îíè, êàê áóäòî, äîñòóïíåå äëÿ ñêà÷êè, ïî êàêèì-òî ñèòåâûì ïîëèòåêàì. Îáúåì ïîôèã.
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Âðåìÿ: 20.03.2009 17:51 
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Kurzweil, Yamaha

à *.rar, èëè *.zip, è ïðî÷åå...

îê. ñ÷àñ çàãðóæó ...
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Âðåìÿ: 20.03.2009 18:13 
metro
Kurzweil, Yamaha

http://www.sendspace.com/file/5da576
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Òåìà: Re: Çàïèñàë CD! 15 ïèàíî-ìåëîäèè(êóðöåâñêèì ÔÏ/ÝÏ)
Âðåìÿ: 20.03.2009 18:37 
1-9-9
... è Roland: 700SX, X7, A33, KC550.

Ñïàñèáî.
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Òåìà: Re: Çàïèñàë CD! 15 ïèàíî-ìåëîäèè(êóðöåâñêèì ÔÏ/ÝÏ)
Âðåìÿ: 20.03.2009 19:14 
1-9-9
... è Roland: 700SX, X7, A33, KC550.

Au soleil, sous la pluie, a midi ou a minuit
Il y a tout ce que vous voulez aux ... ?

:)
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Òåìà: Re: Çàïèñàë CD! 15 ïèàíî-ìåëîäèè(êóðöåâñêèì ÔÏ/ÝÏ)
Âðåìÿ: 20.03.2009 20:00 
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Kurzweil, Yamaha

:) íè÷åãî íåïîíÿë :crazy: ... - ñêàæè ÷òî íèáóäü î çâóêàõ!
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Òåìà: Re: Çàïèñàë CD! 15 ïèàíî-ìåëîäèè(êóðöåâñêèì ÔÏ/ÝÏ)
Âðåìÿ: 20.03.2009 20:22 
Ìîñêâà
Moog, Nordlead, Ion, BassStation

À ÿ âîò ÷òî ñêàæó: î÷åíü ïîìîãàþò Rollland'îâñêèå äåìî ñ âûáîðîì èíñòðóìåíòà :) Åùå áû ÷òî-íèáóäü íà K-ñåðèè çàïèñàòü äëÿ ïîëíîòû êàðòèíû :)

Ó PC88, êñòàòè, ìåõàíèêà òàêàÿ æå êàê ó PC1SE èëè íåò? Íà îôñàéòå íè÷åãî íåïîíÿòíî. Ìîãó òîëüêî äîãàäàòüñÿ, ÷òî ó PC1SE ïîëíîâçâåøåííàÿ (ïî ìàññå ñèíòà :)).
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Çàïèñàë CD! 15 ïèàíî-ìåëîäèè(êóðöåâñêèì ÔÏ/ÝÏ)
Âðåìÿ: 20.03.2009 20:33 
1-9-9
... è Roland: 700SX, X7, A33, KC550.

... Champs-Elysees.

:)

Íó, ñóäè ñàì, ÿ àæ íå óäåðæàëñÿ è çàïåë ïîä ÷åòûðíàäöàòóþ âåùü.
Õîðîøèå çâóêè.
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Çàïèñàë CD! 15 ïèàíî-ìåëîäèè(êóðöåâñêèì ÔÏ/ÝÏ)
Âðåìÿ: 20.03.2009 20:35 
1-9-9
... è Roland: 700SX, X7, A33, KC550.

 ïåðâîì ïîñòå îíà ó òåáÿ òðèíàäöàòàÿ.
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Çàïèñàë CD! 15 ïèàíî-ìåëîäèè(êóðöåâñêèì ÔÏ/ÝÏ)
Âðåìÿ: 20.03.2009 20:50 
metro
Kurzweil, Yamaha

>... Champs-Elysees.
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>Íó, ñóäè ñàì, ÿ àæ íå óäåðæàëñÿ è çàïåë ïîä ÷åòûðíàäöàòóþ âåùü.

:gigi:

>Õîðîøèå çâóêè.

>Â ïåðâîì ïîñòå îíà ó òåáÿ òðèíàäöàòàÿ.

ÿ âåäü äîáàâèë-âïèõíóë îäíó òåìêó(it's all right with me), â No 10.
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Çàïèñàë CD! 15 ïèàíî-ìåëîäèè(êóðöåâñêèì ÔÏ/ÝÏ)
Âðåìÿ: 20.03.2009 20:58 
metro
Kurzweil, Yamaha

> .. Ó PC88, êñòàòè, ìåõàíèêà òàêàÿ æå êàê ó PC1SE èëè íåò? ..

ó pc88 ïî-äëèíåå ìîëîòî÷êè - ñì íà pict
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