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Òåìà: Ïîèñê ìèäè-êëàâû ñ âûäåëåííûìè êíîïêàìè program up/down
Âðåìÿ: 18.02.2010 21:23 
Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
Ñèíòû, âîêàë, ãèòàðà, çâóêîðåæèññóðà

Èùó íåäîðîãóþ è íåáîëüøóþ ìèäè êëàâèàòóðó 49 êëàâèø, îñíîâíîå òðåáîâàíèå - íàëè÷èå êíîïîê äëÿ ïåðåêëþ÷åíèÿ ïðîãðàìì ââåðõ-âíèç îäíèì íàæàòèåì áåç ïðåäâàðèòåëüíîãî çàõîäà â ìåíþ .
Ïåðåëîïà÷èâàòü ìàíóàëû îò âñåõ ïîäðÿä ìèäÿõ î÷åíü íå îõîòà. Ìîæåò êòî ïîñîâåòóåò êîíêðåòíóþ ìîäåëü ãäå åñòü òàêàÿ âîçìîæíîñòü ñ ïåðåêëþ÷åíèåì?
Çàðàíåå îãðîìíîå ñïàñèáî!
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Òåìà: Re: Ïîèñê ìèäè-êëàâû ñ âûäåëåííûìè êíîïêàìè program up/down
Âðåìÿ: 18.02.2010 23:01 
San Diego, CA
Keyz & Knobz

Program Change â îáùåì ñëó÷àå èìååò àáñîëþòíîå çíà÷åíèå.
Edirol PCR-Mxx âðîäå ìîæåò èñêîìîå êàê ïîáî÷íûé ýôôåêò, â ìàíóàëå òàêè óòî÷íè.
Åæåíåäåëüíûé #ÇÂÓÊÑÎÂÅÒ îò Right Audio - http://vk.com/rightaudio1
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Òåìà: Re: Ïîèñê ìèäè-êëàâû ñ âûäåëåííûìè êíîïêàìè program up/down
Âðåìÿ: 18.02.2010 23:03 
Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã


Ïåðåëîïà÷èâàòü ìàíóàëû ìíå òîæå íåîõîòà ;)
Ìîãó òîëüêî ñêàçàòü ÷òî òàêèå âîëøåáíûå êíîïî÷êè åñòü ó Edirol PCR-ñåðèè, èáî îäíà òàêàÿ äîñêà ó ìíó åñòü :)
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Òåìà: Re: Ïîèñê ìèäè-êëàâû ñ âûäåëåííûìè êíîïêàìè program up/down
Âðåìÿ: 18.02.2010 23:16 
íåðåçèíîâñê
Petrof / Roland VR-760 / Edwards STL95 / Rickenbacker 4001 repli

Íèêèòà , â êëàâèàòóðàõ ñ íàçíà÷àåìûìè êíîïêàìè ìîæíî íà ïàðó êíîïîê ïîâåñèòü program change +/-. Äåëàë ó ñåáÿ íà PCR-800, íàâåðíÿêà è â äðóãèõ åñòü âîçìîæíîñòü íàçíà÷àòü ýòî ñîîáùåíèå.
Do you realize? This world is totally fugazi!
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Òåìà: Re: Ïîèñê ìèäè-êëàâû ñ âûäåëåííûìè êíîïêàìè program up/down
Âðåìÿ: 19.02.2010 12:30 
San Diego, CA
Keyz & Knobz

BrainDamage, íåò â ìèäè-ïðîòîêîëå òàêîé êîìàíäû êàê Program Change +/-. Ïðîãðàì ÷åéíäæ _âñåãäà_ èìååò àáñîëþòíóþ âåëè÷èíó îò 1 äî 128.
Åæåíåäåëüíûé #ÇÂÓÊÑÎÂÅÒ îò Right Audio - http://vk.com/rightaudio1
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Òåìà: Re: Ïîèñê ìèäè-êëàâû ñ âûäåëåííûìè êíîïêàìè program up/down
Âðåìÿ: 19.02.2010 12:55 
Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
Ñèíòû, âîêàë, ãèòàðà, çâóêîðåæèññóðà

Èçâèíèòå, ÿ íå÷åòêî âûðàçèëñÿ. =(
Äà, åñòåñòâåííî ÿ çíàþ, ÷òî â ìèäè ïðîòîêîëå åñòü òîëüêî àáñîëþòíîå çíà÷åíèå ïðîãðàììû - íå ïåðâûé ãîä óæå ñ ìèäè èìåþ äåëî.
Èìååòñÿ â âèäó, ñëåäóþùåå: íàïðèìåð ñíà÷àëà íà ìèäÿõå âûáðàíà ïðîãðàììà 1, ïîòîì ÿ æìó ââåðõ, è ïåðåäàåòñÿ ïðîãðàììà 2 è ò.ä. Ò.å. íóæíî, ÷òîáû íîìåð ïðîãðàììû ìîæíî áûëî ïåðåêëþ÷àòü ïî îäíîé ââåðõ-âíèç, áåç ëàçàíèé ïî ìåíþõàì, çàæèìàíèÿ äâóõ êíîïîê, æäàòü 2 ñåêóíäû, öèôåðîê è ò.ï. Àêòóàëüíî äëÿ æèâîé èãðû, êîãäà íóæíî îäíèì íàæàòèåì ïåðåêëþ÷èòü ïðîãðàììó.

Çà PCR ñïàñèáî, èçó÷ó ìàíóàë!
Ìîæåò åùå ó êîãî êàêèå-òî âàðèàíòû áóäóò äëÿ àññîðòèìåíòà? =)
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Òåìà: Re: Ïîèñê ìèäè-êëàâû ñ âûäåëåííûìè êíîïêàìè program up/down
Âðåìÿ: 19.02.2010 14:50 
Msk
Korg_SGproX; Kurzweil_K2500RS; Novation_Nova; Roland_XV2020

à êíîïêè + - ïðåñåòîâ ìèäèêëàâû ïîä ýòî äåëî íåò æåëàíèÿ èñïîëüçîâàòü? ïîíìàþ ÷òî êðèâî, íî â êà÷åñòâå ñðî÷íîé ìåðû èìõî ìîæåò ñîéòè.
... è, íåñìîòðÿ íà âñå âûøåñêàçàííîå, ÿ ñ ðàäîñòüþ êóïëþ ðåêîâûå óøè äëÿ íîâû
... è íåñïåøíî - SRX-06
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Òåìà: Re: Ïîèñê ìèäè-êëàâû ñ âûäåëåííûìè êíîïêàìè program up/down
Âðåìÿ: 19.02.2010 15:21 
Msk
Korg_SGproX; Kurzweil_K2500RS; Novation_Nova; Roland_XV2020

ïîñìîòðåë â ìàíóàëå íà àêñèîìû åñòü òàêàÿ òåìà:

Appendix E – Assignable Controller Numbers to Non-Linear Controllers
This table applies to the following controls on your Axiom:
< Assignable buttons (Axiom 49/61 only)
< Transport controls
< Sustain pedal

MIDI CC /Desorry_but_any_script_is_not_allowedion/ Data 1 /Data 2/ Data 3
0-119 Standard MIDI CC's - Toggle Value 2 Toggle Value 1
...
145 Program(Bank) Preset/ Program/ Bank LSB/ Bank MSB
...
153 MIDI CC Decrement/ MIDI CC/ Start Value/ End Value
154 MIDI CC Increment/ MIDI CC/ Start Value/ End Value
155 Program decrement/ - /Start Value/ End Value
156 Program increment/ - /Start Value/ End Value

Òàê øòà ïîõîæå â àêñèîìå ìîæíî è çàïðîãðàìèòü êíîïî÷êè. :super:
Ñàì íå ïðîáîâàë, êàþñü.

Íà âûõîäíûõ ìîæåò ñäåëàþ òèòàíè÷åñêèé òåñò...
... è, íåñìîòðÿ íà âñå âûøåñêàçàííîå, ÿ ñ ðàäîñòüþ êóïëþ ðåêîâûå óøè äëÿ íîâû
... è íåñïåøíî - SRX-06
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Òåìà: Re: Ïîèñê ìèäè-êëàâû ñ âûäåëåííûìè êíîïêàìè program up/down
Âðåìÿ: 19.02.2010 15:31 
Msk
Korg_SGproX; Kurzweil_K2500RS; Novation_Nova; Roland_XV2020

>MIDI CC /Desorry_but_any_sorry_but_any_script_is_not_allowed_is_not _allowedion/ Data 1 /Data 2/ Data 3

õà-õà... ðîáîò íà ôîðóìå èç äåñêðèïøíà óçíàë è ÷åñòíî îáåçâðåäèë ÷àñòè÷êó "ñêðèïò"
... è, íåñìîòðÿ íà âñå âûøåñêàçàííîå, ÿ ñ ðàäîñòüþ êóïëþ ðåêîâûå óøè äëÿ íîâû
... è íåñïåøíî - SRX-06
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Òåìà: Re: Ïîèñê ìèäè-êëàâû ñ âûäåëåííûìè êíîïêàìè program up/down
Âðåìÿ: 19.02.2010 20:27 
Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
Ñèíòû, âîêàë, ãèòàðà, çâóêîðåæèññóðà

> à êíîïêè + - ïðåñåòîâ ìèäèêëàâû ïîä ýòî äåëî íåò æåëàíèÿ èñïîëüçîâàòü?

Ýòî áû âïîëíå ñîøëî, íî íàäî ÷òîáû ïðåñåòîâ áûëî 128. Âðîäå îáû÷íî èõ îò ñèëû øòóê 16. =(

> ïîñìîòðåë â ìàíóàëå íà àêñèîìû åñòü òàêàÿ òåìà:

Äà, íà àêñèîìå ïîõîæå ìîæíî ñäåëàòü, ñïàñèáî!

Åùå ÿ òàê ïîíÿë ñóäÿ ïî ìàíóàëàì, ÷òî ìîæíî íà Korg Kontrol, Yamaha KX è ñîâñåì êðèâî íà Emu XBoard.
Èç ïðîñòûõ äåøåâûõ íàøåë ïîêà òîëüêî Miditech Midistudio-2...
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Òåìà: Re: Ïîèñê ìèäè-êëàâû ñ âûäåëåííûìè êíîïêàìè program up/down
Âðåìÿ: 20.02.2010 00:08 
íåðåçèíîâñê
Petrof / Roland VR-760 / Edwards STL95 / Rickenbacker 4001 repli

Û-ú , â ñàìîì êîíòðîëëåðå ýòè ôóíêöèè îáçûâàþòñÿ Program change - Inc, Program change - Dec, ÷òî îí òàì â êàíàë âàëèò ÿ íå ñìîòðåë. Ñêîðåå âñåãî Program change íà åäèíèöó áîëüøå/ìåíüøå îòíîñèòåëüíî ïðåäûäóùåãî çíà÷åíèÿ ïåðåìåííîé â ïàìÿòè êîíòðîëëåðà èëè çàäàííîãî çíà÷åíèÿ ïî äåôîëòó.

AGD ,
>Òàê øòà ïîõîæå â àêñèîìå ìîæíî è çàïðîãðàìèòü êíîïî÷êè.

åìïíññä, îíè óæå íà ìîðäó âûâåäåíû, ïîä öèôðîâîé êëàâèàòóðîé "+" è "-" äîëæíû â óìîë÷àòåëüíîì ðåæèìå âûøåóêàçàííûå ôóíêöèè âûïîëíÿòü.  áîëüøèíñòâå ñàìîèãðàåê îíè òàê æå ðàáîòàþò.
Do you realize? This world is totally fugazi!
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Òåìà: Re: Ïîèñê ìèäè-êëàâû ñ âûäåëåííûìè êíîïêàìè program up/down
Âðåìÿ: 20.02.2010 10:42 
Msk
Korg_SGproX; Kurzweil_K2500RS; Novation_Nova; Roland_XV2020

> Û-ú , â ñàìîì êîíòðîëëåðå ýòè ôóíêöèè îáçûâàþòñÿ Program change - Inc, Program change - Dec, ... Ñêîðåå âñåãî Program change íà åäèíèöó áîëüøå/ìåíüøå îòíîñèòåëüíî ïðåäûäóùåãî çíà÷åíèÿ ïåðåìåííîé...

òàê è åñòü

>
> AGD ,
>åìïíññä, îíè óæå íà ìîðäó âûâåäåíû, ïîä öèôðîâîé êëàâèàòóðîé "+" è "-" äîëæíû â óìîë÷àòåëüíîì ðåæèìå âûøåóêàçàííûå ôóíêöèè âûïîëíÿòü.  áîëüøèíñòâå ñàìîèãðàåê îíè òàê æå ðàáîòàþò.

íà àêñèîìå ñíà÷àëà æìåòñÿ êíîïêà "ïðîãðàì" è ïîñëå ýòîãî óæå +/-. à òî êíîïêè +/- â ïðèíöèïå ìíîãî ÷åãî ìîãóò ïîäíèìàòü è îïóñêàòü. êîíòåêñòíûå îíå, ìíîãîôóíêèîíàëüíå...

íó à ñàìîèãðàéêè - ýò âàùå îòäåëüíàÿ òåìà. òàì ëîãèêà äèçàéíà íåñêîëüêî äðóãàÿ
... è, íåñìîòðÿ íà âñå âûøåñêàçàííîå, ÿ ñ ðàäîñòüþ êóïëþ ðåêîâûå óøè äëÿ íîâû
... è íåñïåøíî - SRX-06
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Òåìà: Re: Ïîèñê ìèäè-êëàâû ñ âûäåëåííûìè êíîïêàìè program up/down
Âðåìÿ: 20.02.2010 20:36 
Moskau
ìíîãî âñÿêèõ)

Íèêèòà, ÿ òâîé ôàíòîì þçàþ ñ PCR-300 èìåííî òàê íà êîíöåðòàõ!
Ó ìåíÿ +- íàçíà÷åíû íà Ñ1 è Ñ2. Ñ èñïîëüçîâàíèåì äâóõ ìàíóàëîâ - îò ôàíòîìà è îò ïöð ýòî äåëàåòñÿ çà ïÿòü ìèíóò) â ñìûñëå íàçíà÷åíèå êíîïîê è ñîõðàíåíèå ñåòàïà â ïàìÿòè êëàâèàòóðû)
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Òåìà: Re: Ïîèñê ìèäè-êëàâû ñ âûäåëåííûìè êíîïêàìè program up/down
Âðåìÿ: 24.02.2010 19:33 
íåðåçèíîâñê
Petrof / Roland VR-760 / Edwards STL95 / Rickenbacker 4001 repli

Íèêèòà , à ê ÷åìó òàêèå ñëîæíîñòè? ìîæåò áûòü âàøó ïðîáëåìó ìîæíî ïðîùå ðåøèòü? ,)
Do you realize? This world is totally fugazi!
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Òåìà: Re: Ïîèñê ìèäè-êëàâû ñ âûäåëåííûìè êíîïêàìè program up/down
Âðåìÿ: 24.02.2010 21:56 
Msk
Korg_SGproX; Kurzweil_K2500RS; Novation_Nova; Roland_XV2020

> ...à ê ÷åìó òàêèå ñëîæíîñòè?...

íàïðèìåð â ìîíîôîíè÷åñêèõ ñèíòàõ (è äðóãèõ, ãäå íåò ïåðôîðìàíñîâ) ïàò÷è ìåíÿòü live
... è, íåñìîòðÿ íà âñå âûøåñêàçàííîå, ÿ ñ ðàäîñòüþ êóïëþ ðåêîâûå óøè äëÿ íîâû
... è íåñïåøíî - SRX-06
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Òåìà: Re: Ïîèñê ìèäè-êëàâû ñ âûäåëåííûìè êíîïêàìè program up/down
Âðåìÿ: 25.02.2010 13:22 
Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
Ñèíòû, âîêàë, ãèòàðà, çâóêîðåæèññóðà

> íàïðèìåð â ìîíîôîíè÷åñêèõ ñèíòàõ (è äðóãèõ, ãäå íåò ïåðôîðìàíñîâ) ïàò÷è ìåíÿòü live

Èëè ãäå íå õâàòàåò îäíîãî ïåðôîìàíñà íà ïåñíþ =)

>à ê ÷åìó òàêèå ñëîæíîñòè? ìîæåò áûòü âàøó ïðîáëåìó ìîæíî ïðîùå ðåøèòü? ,)

Íóæíî áûñòðî ïåðåêëþ÷àòü ïðîãðàììû íà ìîäóëå ïî õîäó æèâîé èãðû. Íà ïåðåêëþ÷åíèå åñòü ìåíüøå ñåêóíäû. Òàêæå ïðåäïîëàãàåòñÿ íåêîòîðîå ãëóìëåíèå íàä âíåøíèì âèäîì, ïîýòîìó äîðîãóþ æàëêî.

 èòîãå îõî÷óñü çà Edirol PCR-M50.
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Òåìà: Re: Ïîèñê ìèäè-êëàâû ñ âûäåëåííûìè êíîïêàìè program up/down
Âðåìÿ: 02.03.2010 02:39 
Ìèíñê
Kurzweil Pc3, Roland Juno G

Cme uf-5 òîæå òàêîé ôè÷åé îáëàäàåò.
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Òåìà: Re: Ïîèñê ìèäè-êëàâû ñ âûäåëåííûìè êíîïêàìè program up/down
Âðåìÿ: 02.03.2010 03:07 
Ëüâîâ


Òîëüêî UF-5 âåñèò... ïî ñðàâíåíèþ ñ äðóãèìè.
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