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Òåìà: Revalver III preset - Pantera sound
Âðåìÿ: 16.10.2009 13:41 
Ìîñêâà
Jackson SLS3, Warwick Corvette

Ãîñïîäà, íàøåë îòìåííûé ïðåñåò, íî íå ìîãó äî êîíöà ðàçîáðàòüñÿ ñ íèì, ò.ê. ïðåñåò íå èç ëåãêèõ Ðå÷ü èäåò î çâóêå Dimebag'à (Pantera, âðåìåí "Reinventing the steel") http://www.esnips.com/doc/b0127bc7-...1a7-9617-342e32e0f425/pgm---steel-2 . Âçÿòî ñ íåáåçûçâåñòíîãî ñàéòà http://www.guitarampmodeling.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=3300 . Òàì ïîêà ÷òî íèêòî âðàçóìèòåëüíî îáúÿñíèòü íå ñìîã, êàê åãî ðóëèòü, à àâòîð ïðèâåë ëèøü ñêðèíøîò ïðåñåòà è ïðîïàë .

Öåïî÷êà ïîíÿòíà, ñêðèí çäåñü http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/5123/sdf1wl6.jpg

1. TS' Secret
2. 6505 (âñòðîåííûé â Revalver3)
3. Voxengo Boogex
4. Izotope Ozone (ýêâàëàéçåð http://share.netbynet.ru/425Izotope%20Ozone%20EQ.jpg )
5. Stereo widening effect (âñòðîåííûé â Revalver3).

Íå ìîãó ðàçîáðàòüñÿ, ÷òî çà ìåñà-èìïóëüñ èñïîëüçóåòñÿ â Voxengo Boogex è êàê íàñòðîèòü Stereo Widening èç Izotope Ozone (òàì òàêîãî íå íàøåë, ó ìåíÿ âåðñèÿ 3).

Êòî ìîæåò ïîäðîáíî îáúÿñíèòü, êàê åãî íàðóëèòü èëè âûëîæèòü ýòîò ïðåñåò? Áóäó ïðåìíîãî áëàãîäàðåí!
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Òåìà: Re: Revalver III preset - Pantera sound
Âðåìÿ: 16.10.2009 14:06 
Ìîñêâà
Ovation, Spector, Musicman, Genelec, Fractal

à ó òåáÿ ãèòàðà òàêàÿ æå, êàê Dimebag? :)

ß âîò ïîñìîòðåë, ó òåáÿ âðîäå áîë÷åíûé êëåíîâûé ãðèô íà îëüõå, à ó íåãî êðàñíîå äåðåâî è âêëååíûé ãðèô :)
Òîëüêî âçÿë áîåö ãèòàðó, ñðàçó âèäíî - ãàðìîíèñò!
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Òåìà: Re: Revalver III preset - Pantera sound
Âðåìÿ: 18.10.2009 13:07 
Ìîñêâà
Jackson SLS3, Warwick Corvette

hrg, àâòîð ïðåñåòà èñïîëüçîâàë Gibson Les Paul with EMGs 85/60. Îò ãèòàðû çâóê çàâèñèò êîíå÷íî, ÿ íå ñïîðþ, íî õàðàêòåð çâóêà âñ¸ ðàâíî äîëæåí áûòü ïðèìåðíî òàêîé æå.

p.s: ñòðàííî, ññûëü ñî çâóêîì ïðåñåòà ñòàëà áèòàÿ, ïðèâîæó åùå ðàç.

http://www.esnips.com/doc/b0127bc7-fbee-41a7-9617-342e32e0f4...5/pgm---steel-2
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Òåìà: Re: Revalver III preset - Pantera sound
Âðåìÿ: 18.10.2009 23:34 
Ìîñêâà
Ovation, Spector, Musicman, Genelec, Fractal

âà-ïåðâûõ, ïî ññûëêå èäåò ìèêñ, à íå ãîëàÿ ãèòàðà. Áàñ è áàðàáàñû ñèëüíî äîáàâëÿþò ê çâóêó ãèòàðû :)
âà-âòàðûõ, åñëè äàæå òû óçíàåøü âåñü ïóòü îáðàáîòêè äî ïîñëåäíåé ìåëî÷è, òåáå ýòî ìàëî ïîìîæåò, èáî: ðóêè, ãèòàðà, êîììóòàöèÿ, çâóêîâóõà, îáðàáîòêè â ìèêñå.

Òàê ÷òî ðàçáåðèñü, çà÷åì â ýòîé öåïî÷êå íóæåí êàæäûé ïðèáîð, à ïîòîì ýêñïåðèìåíòèðóé :)

ÇÛ Èñïóëüñ ïî çâóêó íàïîìèíàåò Ìàðøàëîâñêèé êàáèíåò ñ ãðèíáåêàìè.

>Stereo Widening

Multiband Stereo Imaging :) Òîëüêî îïÿòü æå - áåç çíàíèÿ ÷òî è çà÷åì êðóòèòü è íîðìàëüíîãî ìîíèòîðèíãà - òðàòà âðåìåíè
Òîëüêî âçÿë áîåö ãèòàðó, ñðàçó âèäíî - ãàðìîíèñò!
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Òåìà: Re: Revalver III preset - Pantera sound
Âðåìÿ: 19.10.2009 01:02 
Ìîñêâà
Jackson SLS3, Warwick Corvette

hrg, ñïàñèáî, ÷òî îòêëèêíóëñÿ, íî íå íàäî äåëàòü èç ìåíÿ ïèîíåðà, ÿ ïðåäñòàâëåíèå èìåþ î çàïèñè, ñâåäåíèè, ìàñòåðèíãå è ò.ä. :)

Ïðî ðèòì-ñåêöèþ, ðóêè, çâóêîâóõó - ýòî òîæå îòäåëüíàÿ èñòîðèÿ, âñ¸ ýòî ïîíÿòíî. È çàìå÷ó, ÷òî íà ñàéòå guitarampmodeling.com ëþäè äåëàþò óïîð íå íà ÷óäåñà îáðàáîòêè, à íà ãèòàðó. Êñòàòè, ñ ÷åãî òû ðåøèë, ÷òî ñåìïë îòìàñòèðîâàí? Äóìàþ, ÷òî àâòîð âñåãî ëèøü íîðìàëüíî ñâ¸ë âñå èíñòðóìåíòû.

Íàñ÷åò èìïóëüñà - â ñêðèíå âèäíî, ÷òî ïîäãðóæåí guitarhack mesa impulse, íî áåç êîíêðåòíûõ ïîÿñíåíèé. Ïîãóãëèâ, íàø¸ë GuitarHack Mesa Trad Quad Between/Centre/Edge, íî õàðàêòåð çâóêà èíîé :(

Ïðî ðàñøèðèòåëü ñòåðåîáàçû ÿ çíàþ. Òîãäà ñòàâëþ âîïðîñ êîíêðåòíåå: ãäå â Multiband Stereo Imaging http://www.izotope.com/products/audio/ozone/__imaging.html íàéòè òàêèå íàñòðîéêè "1.0 boost from 500 to 1.500, 2 boost from 1. 500 to onwards" ???
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Òåìà: Re: Revalver III preset - Pantera sound
Âðåìÿ: 19.10.2009 01:19 
Ìîñêâà
Ovation, Spector, Musicman, Genelec, Fractal

>Íàñ÷åò èìïóëüñà - â ñêðèíå âèäíî, ÷òî ïîäãðóæåí guitarhack mesa impulse, íî áåç êîíêðåòíûõ ïîÿñíåíèé. Ïîãóãëèâ, íàø¸ë GuitarHack Mesa Trad Quad Between/Centre/Edge, íî õàðàêòåð çâóêà èíîé

Ó ìåíÿ åñòü ñëåäóþùèå èñïóëüñû ãèòàðêàõà. Åñëè íàäî - âûëîæó :)

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>Ïðî ðàñøèðèòåëü ñòåðåîáàçû ÿ çíàþ. Òîãäà ñòàâëþ âîïðîñ êîíêðåòíåå: ãäå â Multiband Stereo Imaging http://www.izotope.com/products/audio/ozone/__imaging.html íàéòè òàêèå íàñòðîéêè "1.0 boost from 500 to 1.500, 2 boost from 1. 500 to onwards" ???

Ùàñ ïîä ðóêîé Îçîíà íåò, ïèøó ïî ïàìÿòè :)

Äåëàåøü 3 ïîëîñû: Ïåðâàÿ äî 500, âòîðàÿ 500-1500 Ãö, òðåòüÿ -1500 -20000. Íàñêîëüêî ïîäíèìàòü - òóò õç :)
Òîëüêî âçÿë áîåö ãèòàðó, ñðàçó âèäíî - ãàðìîíèñò!
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Òåìà: Re: Revalver III preset - Pantera sound
Âðåìÿ: 19.10.2009 13:05 
Ìîñêâà
Jackson SLS3, Warwick Corvette

Ïàñèá! Ñ ðàñøèðåíèåì ñòåðåîáàçû áîëåå-ìåíåå ïîíÿòíî, ïîñìîòðþ. Õîòÿ, âïðèíöèïå, ýòî äàëåêî íå ñàìûé âàæíûé ìîìåíò â öåïè =)

Ïåðå÷èñëåííûå èìïóëüñû íàøåë òóò http://www.therecordingart.com/Samples/IRs/GuitarCab/GuitarH...cks%20Impulses/ . Âîò ýòî ñàìàÿ âàæíàÿ äåòàëü, ïîäîáðàòü íóæíûé èìïóëüñ :)
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Òåìà: Re: Revalver III preset - Pantera sound
Âðåìÿ: 21.10.2009 21:21 
Êèåâ


Ðåáÿòà, ñòûäíî ïðèçíàòüñÿ, íî íèêîãäà íå ïîëüçîâàëñÿ èìïóëüñàìè êàáèíåòîâ, à ìîæåòå ïîïîäðîáíåå, êàê ïîëüçîâàòüñÿ è ñ ÷åì êóøàòü?
adamra
Âîçìîæíî, âû ðàíüøå î ÷åì-òî ñïîðèëè. Òåïåðü îí àâòîìàòîì ïëîõî èãðàåò! ( Mike M )
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Òåìà: Re: Revalver III preset - Pantera sound
Âðåìÿ: 21.10.2009 22:47 
Ìîñêâà
Ovation, Spector, Musicman, Genelec, Fractal

>Ðåáÿòà, ñòûäíî ïðèçíàòüñÿ, íî íèêîãäà íå ïîëüçîâàëñÿ èìïóëüñàìè êàáèíåòîâ, à ìîæåòå ïîïîäðîáíåå, êàê ïîëüçîâàòüñÿ è ñ ÷åì êóøàòü?

Ñòàâèøü ëþáîé èìïóëüñíûé ðåâåð â èíñåðò. ß þçàþ SIR2, åñòü áåñïëàòíûé Voxengo Boogex. Êà÷àåøü èìïóëüñû ãèòàðíûõ êàáèíåòîâ. Çàãðóæàåøü èìïóëüñ â ðåâåð. dry - 0%, wet -100%. Ïðåøøñÿ :)
Òîëüêî âçÿë áîåö ãèòàðó, ñðàçó âèäíî - ãàðìîíèñò!
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Òåìà: Re: Revalver III preset - Pantera sound
Âðåìÿ: 22.10.2009 01:04 
Êèåâ


ñïàñèáî
adamra
Âîçìîæíî, âû ðàíüøå î ÷åì-òî ñïîðèëè. Òåïåðü îí àâòîìàòîì ïëîõî èãðàåò! ( Mike M )
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Òåìà: Re: Revalver III preset - Pantera sound
Âðåìÿ: 22.10.2009 01:33 
ã.Âëàäèìèð


adamra, áëèí, à íàôèãà ýòî òåáå? Òû æ íåïëîõî àïïàðàòîì çàòàâàðåí, âðîäå áû. Îõîòà òåáå ñîôòîâûå èñêàæåíèÿ êîïèòü. :)
Ýòî õîðîøî ïðèìåíÿòü êàäà ïèøåøü ãèòàðêó â ëèíèþ, è òî, åñëè ÷åñòíî, ñ ìèêðîôîííûì ñú¸ìîì íèêàêîãî ñðàâíåíèÿ. :)
åäð¸íûòü ýò âàì íå èòèòü.
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Òåìà: Re: Revalver III preset - Pantera sound
Âðåìÿ: 22.11.2009 07:25 
Ëåíèíãðàä
ìóçëîèä ðó÷íîé

À âàñ íå ñìóùàåò ÷òî õàðàêòåð çåðíà äà èçëèøíèé ñðåç âåðõà äàëåêè îò çâóêà Äàèìáåãà, ÿ ïðî ïðèìåð â ïåðâûõ ñîîáùåíèÿõ?
È äåëî íå â òîì ÷òî ñûãðàíî íà LP à íå íà Dean, ñàìà öåïî÷êà â ñâîåé ñóòè äàëåêà îò çâóêà Randall.
Ïðîôåññèîíàë-ýòî òîò êòî ëåãêî óáåæäàåò ïî÷òè âñåõ, â òîì ÷òî ëàæà - ýòî õóäîæåñòâåííûé ïðè¸ì
 ýòîò ôîðóì ìîãóò ïèñàòü òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûå ïîëüçîâàòåëè!