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Òåìà: Recorderman è òåõíèêà îò Glyn Johns. Ïîãîâîðèì?:)
Âðåìÿ: 21.07.2009 11:58 |
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Ðàíååå ñëûøàë óïîìèíàíèÿ îá ýòèõ ïîõîæèõ òåõíèêàõ, íî íå ïðèíèìàë âñåðüåç. À ïîñêîëüêó XY äëÿ îâåðõåäîâ íå ïåðåíîøó íà äóõ, òî ïîëüçîâàëñÿ â îñíîâíîì AB, íî ñ 3 òî÷êàìè (êîòîðóþ Ïàçë ðàñêðèòèêîâàë êñòàòè  Íî òóò äîâåëîñü âîî÷èþ ïîíàáëþäàòü çà òåõíèêîé recorderman (êîëëåãà ïðîäåìîíñòðèðîâàë) - ýòî, íàñêîëüêî ìíå ïîäñêàçàë èíòåðíåò, ìîäèôèöèðîâàííàÿ òåõíèêà äâóõìèêðîôîííîé çàïèñè îò Glyn Johns. ×åñòíî, âïå÷àòëÿåò! Êàê áóäòî áû îäíè ïëþñû: ìèíèìóì ôàçîâûõ ïðîáëåì, ïîäõîäèò äëÿ íåáîëüøèõ ïîìåùåíèé èòä. Êòî ïîëüçóåò òàêèå ìåòîäû - ïîäåëèòåñü ñâîèìè íàáëþäåíèÿìè, ìîæåò åñòü êàêèå-òî ñîáñòâåííûå äîáàâëåíèÿ ê ýòèì ìåòîäàì. Ìèíóñîâ ÿ çàìåòèë ïîêà äâà: ïîõîäèò äëÿ ñåòîâ íåáîëüøèõ êîìïëåêòàöèé, äà åùå òåîðåòè÷åñêè áàðàáàíùèê ìîæåò ñíåñòè îäèí èç ìèêðîôîíîâ íå÷àÿíí. |
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õåíäåõîõ, à îïèøèòå - ïåðâûé ðàç ïðî ýòè 2 òåõíèêè ñëûøó. | |
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Òåìà: Re: Recorderman è òåõíèêà îò Glyn Johns. Ïîãîâîðèì?:)
Âðåìÿ: 21.07.2009 15:59 |
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ýõõõ, âûáðàë ñåáå íèê íà ñâîþ ãîëîâó:) hedgehog ýòî åæèê ïî àíãëèéñêèé âðîäå, à Âû òóò ïî íåìåöêè øïðåõàåòå..)) Åñëè åñòü âîçìîæíîñòü, òî ëó÷øå ïîñìîòðèòå íà ðîëèêå, ÷òî ÿ îòðûë â èíòåðíåòå. Òåõíè÷åñêè ìû ñ êîëëåãîé ïðîäåëûâàëè òàêæå, î÷åíü ïðîñòî è êàéôîâî. òàì æå åñòü ññûëêà íà ïåâîíà÷àëüíûé âàðèàíò îò Glyn Johns. Âîò åùå íà ýòîì ôîðóìå íåêîòîðûå þçåðû ïèøóò î òîì, ÷òî ïðàêòèêóþò òàêèå ìåòîäû. |
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Òåìà: Re: Recorderman è òåõíèêà îò Glyn Johns. Ïîãîâîðèì?:)
Âðåìÿ: 21.07.2009 16:05 |
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Ðåêîðäåð-ìýí: Ãëåí ÄÆîíñ: Ïåðâûé âàðèíò ñìåøíîé(èìåþ ââèäó â âèäåî-ïðèìåðå - ñ òàêîé êîìíàòîé ëþàÿ òåõíèêà áóäåò çâó÷àòü òàê, êàê â ïðèìåðå), à âî âòîðîì âàðèàíòå áóäüòå âíèìàòåëüíû - îáðàòèòå âíèìàíèå íà òî, êàêèå ìèêðîôîíû ïðåäëàãàþòñÿ ïîä îâåðõýäû - ñóïåðìóòíûå ëåíòî÷íûå Áàåðäèíàìèêñû - è ýòî è åñòü êëþ÷ ê ìåòîäó... |
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Òåìà: Re: Recorderman è òåõíèêà îò Glyn Johns. Ïîãîâîðèì?:)
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à âîò èç ¨æèêîâîé ññûëêè( ))) ïðèìåð åùå: È òàì ñìåøíûå êîììåíòàðèè - òèïà...Âàó, ÿ íå äóìàë ÷òî áóäåò ÒÀÊÀß ðàçíèöà.. à ÒÀÊÀß ðàçíèöà èççà îòãî, ÷òî ìàëûé â ïðèìåðå ñ èñõîäíîé ñõåìîé - ñïóùåí ñëèøêîì âíèç è áîëåå àêöèåíòèðîâàí ïðè èãðå,Þ íåæåëè â Ðåêîðäåðìýíå... |
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Òåìà: Re: Recorderman è òåõíèêà îò Glyn Johns. Ïîãîâîðèì?:)
Âðåìÿ: 21.07.2009 16:16 |
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ÍÓ ðå÷ü èäåò íå î êîíêðåòíûõ ïðèìåðàõ, à î òåõíèêå ïðèìåíåíèè. Ìîãó îïèñàòü ïàðàìåòðû íàøåé êîìíàòû è êàê-íèáóäü ñêèíóòü êóñîê ôàéëà, çàïèñàííîãî â íåé ïî ïîäîáíîé òåõíèêå. Åùå ðàç ïîâòîðþñü: ìíå ïîíðàâèëîñü, õîòÿ âêóñû ó âñåõ ðàçíûå. Íà ñòåðåîêàðòèíà îôèãåííàÿ. - âîò åùå ññûëêà à çäåñü èíòåðåñíûé âàðèàíò ðàçâèòèÿ ýòîé òåõíèêè |
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Òåìà: Re: Recorderman è òåõíèêà îò Glyn Johns. Ïîãîâîðèì?:)
Âðåìÿ: 21.07.2009 16:22 |
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òîëüêî òóò îí åùå êîìíàòíûå ìèêè èñïîëüçóåò íà ðàññòîÿíèè 15(!!!) ôóòîâ - îíî è ñëûøíî... è îïÿòü òàêè îáðàòèòå âíèìàíèå íà òèï ìèêðîôîíîâ äëÿ Ðåêîðäåðìýí-òåõíèêè... À åñëè íðàâèòñÿ - çíà÷èò è íàäî ïîëüçîâàòüñÿ ) À âîò îòñþäîâà(http://www.blaxploitation.com/drums/ ):Getting started The room Find a room in which your kit sounds good. The major advantage of using this technique is that it provides a big, open, natural sound, so find a room with a good natural reverb. Size isn’t important; small rooms can sound as good as large rooms. You can control how bright or harsh the room sounds by covering bare walls with curtains or drapes. Tuning the kit A well-tuned kit will record better than a set of cardboard-sounding tubs. Obvious but true. Before the recording session, spend time on tuning your kit so you’ll only need to make minor tweaks during the session based on what you’re hearing through your headphones. You’re looking for a big, natural sound that can only be produced by drums that sing. New heads It’s surprising how quickly drum heads start to sound tired. This is particularly true of snare heads so change your snare batter head and tune the snare before the session. You’ll get more bite out of the snare sound if you use a new head. Many drummers keep the same heads on their gear for years - it's all part of developing a signature sound! Kit positioning Start by setting up your bass drum, toms, hi-hats and snare in the centre of the room. If possible, get someone else to play your kit and listen to how it sounds, then move the kit to a different place in the room and listen again. You’ll get a feel for the point in the room where the kit sounds best. Avoid areas that make your kit sound flat or quiet. When you’ve found the room’s sweet spot, assemble the rest of the kit and start setting up the mics. ïûòàþñü íàìåêíóòü - ÷òî â Âàøèõ âàðèàíòàõ êîìíàòà íåìíîãî íå òàêàÿ, êàê ó ïàðíÿ ñ ìîäèôèöèðîâàííîé òåçíèêîé, à òàêàÿ ïðèìåðíî, êàê â ìîåé ïåðâîé ññûëêå - îáðàòèåòå âíèìàíèå è íà çâóê ñîîòâåòñòâåííî... |
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Òåìà: Re: Recorderman è òåõíèêà îò Glyn Johns. Ïîãîâîðèì?:)
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Ìîæåò ÿ íåìíîãî ïî ñâîåìó ïîíèìàþ ñóòü ýòîé òåõíèêè, íî äëÿ ìåíÿ îíà â ïåðâóþ î÷åðåäü - ñïîñîá ïîëó÷èòü 2-ìèêðîôîííûì ìåòîäîì çâóê óñòàíîâêè. È ìíå íè÷åãî íå ìåøàåò äîïîëíèòåëüíî ïîäçâó÷èòü êàäóøêè, à òàêæå çàïèñàòü êîìíàòó òàê ,êàê ìíå íàäî. | |
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Òåìà: Re: Recorderman è òåõíèêà îò Glyn Johns. Ïîãîâîðèì?:)
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äâà ðàçà óæå ïèñàë â äîïîëíåíèå ñ îñíîâíîìó ñåòàïó - îäèí ðàç íà ïëàñòèíêå Netslov (â ìèêñå â èòîãå íå èñïîëüçîâàë) è âòîðîé íà ñåññèè íà âûíîñ (íå çíàþ, êàê ñ íèìè îáîéäóòñÿ). ÿ âèæó ýòó òåõíèêó ñòèëèñòè÷åñêè îáóñëîâëåííîé - òàì, ãäå íóæåí íàòóðàëüíûé çâóê, æèðíûé, íî íå íàãëûé. | |
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Èñïîëüçóþ ùàñ ôñåãäà. Ñîâìåñòíî ñ ïîäçâó÷èâàíèåì ïîâåðõíîñòåé è 3 ðóìíûìè ìåëêîôîíàìè. Çâó÷èò êë¸âî, ôèëüòðû è êîìïðåññèÿ äîáàâëÿþò, ýêüþ èñïîëüçóåòñÿ ïî ìèíèìóìó. Âàðüèðóÿ ìèêðîôîíû, ìîæíî ïîäñòðàèâàööî ê ñòèëþ è îñîáåííîñòÿì çâóêîèçâëå÷åíèÿ. | |
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Òåìà: Re: Recorderman è òåõíèêà îò Glyn Johns. Ïîãîâîðèì?:)
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×åáóðàøêè ó êîòîðîãî íå áûëî äðóçåé
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ïðåäïî÷èòàþ çàáèâàòü áàðàáàíû âñòðîåííûìè â drumagog çâóêàìè. ïîëó÷àåòñÿ êðóòî 
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2 RP: À ñ ðóìíûìè êàê? íàñêîëüêî ÿ çíàþ, ó âàñ íå îñîáî áîëüøîå ïîìåùåíèå. ÿ âîò äóìàþ ïîýêñïåðåìåíòèðîâàòü ñ äâóìÿ âîñüìåðêàìè ïîä ïðÿìûì óãëîì äëÿ ïîëíîãî ýìáèåíñÿ 
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Òåìà: Re: Recorderman è òåõíèêà îò Glyn Johns. Ïîãîâîðèì?:)
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2 Àðòåì: êëàññíîå îïðåäåëåíèå:) Êîíå÷íî æå, åñëè ìàòåðèàë ñëàáûé, òî íèêàêàÿ òåõíèêà íå ïîìîæåò, íî ìíå ìåòîä ïîíðàâèëñÿ çà íàòóðàëüíîñòü |
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Òåìà: Re: Recorderman è òåõíèêà îò Glyn Johns. Ïîãîâîðèì?:)
Âðåìÿ: 22.07.2009 12:25 |
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2¨æèê à Âû ëåíòî÷íèêè ïî Ãëåíó Äæîíñó ñòàâèòå?(ïðè òîì ó íåãî åùå è ãèïåðêàðäèîäíûå ëåíòî÷íèêè - ÷òî âîîáùå ðåäêîñòü) |
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Òåìà: Re: Recorderman è òåõíèêà îò Glyn Johns. Ïîãîâîðèì?:)
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ß ïî Ãëåíó Äæîíñó âîîáùå íå ñòàâèë, èñêëþ÷èòåëüíî Ðåêîðäåðìåí. À ëåíòî÷íèêîâ ó íàñ íåìà 
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Òåìà: Re: Recorderman è òåõíèêà îò Glyn Johns. Ïîãîâîðèì?:)
Âðåìÿ: 22.07.2009 13:12 |
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Ýòè ñõåìû ïî èäåå - áîëüøå äëÿ "íàòóðàëüíîãî"(÷èòàé ìÿãêîãî è íèçêîãî) çâó÷àíèÿ - à ó Âàñ ïðèîðèòåò - âðîäå á ìåòàë...âîò ÿ è óäèâëÿþñü.. Ïîñòàâüòå ñðåäíåâûñîêèé ÎÐÒÔ ÿðêèé(êîíäåíñàòîðíûå ìåëêîìåìáðàíêè), èëè âûñîêèé âçâåøåííûé ÀÁ ÿðêèé, ëèëè ñðåäíåâûñîêèé âçâåøåííûé ÀÁ íèçêèé(áîëüøåìåìáðàííèêè èëè ëåíòî÷íèêè)+ÿðêèé õýò è ðàéä - ýòî áóäåò - ñàìîå ÒÎ â êîíòåêñòå ñòèëèñòèêè.... | |
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Òåìà: Re: Recorderman è òåõíèêà îò Glyn Johns. Ïîãîâîðèì?:)
Âðåìÿ: 22.07.2009 16:57 |
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Ïðèîðèòåò ïðèîðèòåòîì, à êëèåíòóðà ðàçíàÿ. Äà è åñëè âäðóã òÿæåëàÿ ìóçûêà, òî ÷òî?  îáùåì, ÿ ïîîáåùàë âûëîæèòü êóñî÷åê áàðàáàíîâ è èõ â ìèêñå. Ìíå òàêàÿ ñõåìà ïðèãëÿíóëàñü. Ïðîñòî è ñåðäèòî. Íå îáÿçàòåëüíî æå íà ýòîì îñòàíàâëèâàòüñÿ,ìîæíî è êàê ÐÏ, äåëàòü â äîïîëíåíèå ê êàäóøêàì è ðóìó - ñàìîå òî áóäåò. |
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Òåìà: Re: Recorderman è òåõíèêà îò Glyn Johns. Ïîãîâîðèì?:)
Âðåìÿ: 22.07.2009 17:51 |
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2¨æèê Äàê íå âîïðîñ.. Ýòî æå âñ¸ òàê èëè èíà÷å âîïðîñ âêóñà...) Íó è îïûòà ÷óòîê... Ñõåìà Ãëåíà Äæîíñ îòëè÷íàÿ "ïîä 60ûå" - â ÷èñòîì âèäå...È ñ ëåíòî÷íûìè ìèêàìè... À íå â ÷èñòîì - ýòî óæå è íå ñõåìà Ãëåíà Äæîíñà...) |
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