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ó êîãî-òî ñðà÷, ó êîãî-òî âñå ÷èñòî.. ìàëåíêèé ëèêáåç îò SSL ïðåäìåò ðàçãîâîðà - inter-sample peaks, òå ñàìûå ïèêè âûøå 0 äáôñ, êîòîðûå ÿâíî íà ýòîé ïëàñòèíêå ïðèñóòñòâóþò. ÷èòàåì! There is currently a trend in the in the audio industry known euphemistically as ‘The loudness war’ in which the engineering process is driven to produce a product which is as loud as is technically possible within the constraints of the medium. Debate rages as to whether this produces problems that degrade and distort the audio. One reason for this distortion is often blamed on the presence of ‘inter-sample peaks’, where signals that are usually missed by the Fs sampling of DAW meters, may actually exceed 0dBfs in reconstruction from digital to analogue domain in some Digital to Analogue Converters (DACs). ... studios of all sizes choose the best equipment in order to produce the best results possible, and this invariably includes audio interfaces. So it is very likely that the circuitry used in professional audio interfaces will be more sophisticated than those used in consumer devices. It is therefore entirely possible for an engineer to produce a mix which would sound great in the studio but may sound different on some domestic systems. There have been several tests performed on domestic CD players with signals known to produce inter-sample peaks, with interesting results. The tests indicate that some players are quite capable of handling the peaks without audible results, but some models produce audible clipping. |
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Òåìà: Re: ê âîïðîñó î ðàçíûõ îöåíêàõ ïëàñòèíêè ÎÏ by Bogdanov
Âðåìÿ: 25.05.2010 10:17 |
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Íó è ÷òî? "ó êîãî-òî ñðà÷, ó êîãî-òî âñå ÷èñòî.." - íî, Àðòåì, íà âàøèõ ñîáñòâåííûõ ïðèìåðàõ âñå ÷èñòî ó âñåõ? ß ñëóøàë âûêëàäêè èç ÎÏ íà ðàçíûõ ïëàòôîðìàõ (òîëüêî ÷òî íå íàðåçàë íà CD). Âåçäå îäèí è òîò æå ðåçóëüòàò. Êàêîé æå íóæåí DAC äëÿ ïðîñòûõ ïîëüçîâàòåëåé, ÷òîáû ýòî çâó÷àëî? Âîò ïðèìåðû ìàñòåðèíãà Áîáà Êàöà (äëÿ ðåêëàìêè Âàéññà) - òèõåíüêî, òî÷íåíüêî, -25 Ëá ïî ÐÌÑ, èçìåíåíèÿ èñêëþ÷èòåëüíî â äèíàìèêå - íèêàêèõ ñàòóðàöèé, íèêàêèõ èçâðàùåíèé. È íè÷åãî íå õðèïèò, íå òðåùèò. |
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åñëè åñòü æåëàíèå ñåðüåçíî ó÷èòüñÿ âîêàëó è ïîëó÷èòü âûñøåå îáðàçîâàíèå âîêàëèñòà - ïèøèòå â ëè÷êó
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Òåìà: Re: ê âîïðîñó î ðàçíûõ îöåíêàõ ïëàñòèíêè ÎÏ by Bogdanov
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ýòî ïðîñòî õîòÿ áû ðàêàÿ-òî ðàçóìíàÿ çàöåïêà  îáû÷íî öèôðîâûõ ïîëîê èçáåãàþò - òîò æå ë2 ïîëîê íå äàåò. à òóò áûëî íàîáîðîò.. è íà ïîñåäíåé ìåòàëèêå òàæå ôèãíÿ áûëà, êàê ÿ ïîíÿë.. åñëè DAC ó ìàñòåðèíã èíæåíåðà íå êëèïóåò, à ðåêîíñòðóèðóåò ïèêè - åìó ìîæåò áûòü íåâäîìåê, ÷òî ó îñòàëüíûõ âñå ìîæåò áûòü èíà÷å.. |
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Òåìà: Re: ê âîïðîñó î ðàçíûõ îöåíêàõ ïëàñòèíêè ÎÏ by Bogdanov
Âðåìÿ: 25.05.2010 10:26 |
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ÿ ïðîñòî ïðàêòè÷åñêè óâåðåí, ÷òî inter-sample peaks óäîðàæàò ñîçíàíèå ÞÈ ýòî âïîëíå ñîîòâåñòñòâóåò ìèôîëîãåìå "àòàêè=ýíåðãèÿ"...
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Òåìà: Re: ê âîïðîñó î ðàçíûõ îöåíêàõ ïëàñòèíêè ÎÏ by Bogdanov
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áëèí, êëàâà óáèòàÿ ... áóäîðàæàò ... |
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Moscow
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-- Äà îíî, â îáùåì, ïîôèãó. Íàäî ïðîñòî ðåøèòü ðàç è íàâñåãäà, ÷òî ÎÄÈÍ ñýìïë 0dbFS - ýòî óæå è åñòü ÊËÈÏ. | |
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Âðåìÿ: 25.05.2010 14:52 |
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Adelaide
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óäîðîæàò ñîçíàíèå - ñìåøíåå. Ó ìåíÿ ïðîñòåíüêàÿ ðìåøíàÿ digicheck ïîêàçûâàëà êëèïïèíã íà ÎÏ. È â ñåíõàõ óøàõ êëèïïîâàëî è íà êîìïüþòåðíûõ êîëîíî÷êàõ. Íà òàíîéêàõ íå ñëóøàëà, íå çíàþ. Íî ïðîñòîé øèòêîíòðîëü, êàê êîëîíî÷êè îò êîìïà - ýòî æå íå èçîáðåòåíèå äèäæèòàë ýðû. ß ïîìíþ åù¸ ó Ïàñòåðíàêà ñòîÿëî ìàëåíüêîå ðàäèî èç äðåâíèõ âðåì¸í, íà êîòîðîì è ñëóøàëè òîæå. Òîëüêî çà÷åì îïÿòü íà Ôàððà... íå â êëèïïàõ ñ÷àñòüå/íåñ÷àñòüå... Äëÿ ìåíÿ ýòà ïëàñòèíêà (íó òî, ÷òî îò íå¸ ñëóøàëà) íå ïðî êëèïïèíã. Ó ìåíÿ ïðîñòî îò ñàìîãî ìàòåðèàëà êàê-òî ëþáàÿ êðåàòèâíàÿ èäåÿ óáåãàåò. À âîò ÞÈ - ïðî÷óâñòâîâàë ÿâíî. À ñ êëèïïèíãîì èëè áåç - ëèøü áû ãàðìîíè÷íî áûëî ñ ìóçûêîé, ÷òî ÿâíî ïðèñóòñòâóåò. Êàêàÿ ìóçûêà, òàêîé è ñàóíä. Êàê-òî òàê |
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Âðåìÿ: 25.05.2010 15:45 |
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Moscow
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-- Ìîæåò, îíî è òàê - íî ìíå, íàïðèìåð, êëèï àêè íîæ âîñòðûé. Àáñîëþòíî íå ìîãó ñëûøàòü, íåçàâèñèìî îò ìàòåðèàëà. |
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Âðåìÿ: 25.05.2010 22:04 |
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ðå÷ü î òîì, ÷òî íåêîòîðûå êîíâåðòîðû êëèïèíã ïðåâðàùàþò â ïèêè.. ìîëîêî âîñòàíîâëåííîå '?) òî åñòü íà ñëóõ îí íå ïðîÿâëÿåòñÿ.. | |
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Moscow
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-- ÍÅ ÂÅÐÞ. Ìîæåò, òàêîå è âîçìîæíî ñäåëàòü, õîòÿ ñîìíåâàþñü. Íî äàæå åñëè è òàê - òî, âî-ïåðâûõ, òàêîé "êîíòðîëü" íàõ íå íóæåí, èáî íåðåïðåçåíòàòèâåí. À âî-âòîðûõ - ìàëî âåðèòñÿ, ÷òî êëèï ïîÿâèëñÿ âñåãî ÎÄÈÍ ðàç, â ñàìîì-ñàìîì ôèíàëå. Åñëè æå èõ óæå êó÷ó íàïèõàëè â ìàòåðèàë - òî íèêàêîé âîññòàíîâèòåëü íå ïîìîæåò. |
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Âðåìÿ: 25.05.2010 23:56 |
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âåðü-íå âåðü, à îïåðàöèÿ âïîëíå ïðîãðàììèðóåìàÿ ïðè íàëè÷èè îâåðñýìïëèíãà. | |
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Òåìà: Re: ê âîïðîñó î ðàçíûõ îöåíêàõ ïëàñòèíêè ÎÏ by Bogdanov
Âðåìÿ: 26.05.2010 02:02 |
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Moscow
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-- Ýòî íå ïðè ÷¸ì. Ñàìè ìèêðîñõåìû êîíâåðòåðîâ íå ìîãóò äàòü íà âûõîäå ñèãíàëà áîëüøåãî, ÷åì 0dbFS. |
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Òåìà: Re: ê âîïðîñó î ðàçíûõ îöåíêàõ ïëàñòèíêè ÎÏ by Bogdanov
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Adelaide
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Àðò¸ì, íó ÷òî çíà÷èò íå ïðîÿâëÿåòñÿ? Íó äà, íåò ùåë÷êà, òàì ÿâíîãî ïóêà...íî èñêàæåíèå âñ¸ ðàâíî åñòü. Õîòÿ èäåÿ ïîíÿòíàÿ è äåéñòâèòåëüíî õîðîøàÿ îáúÿñíèòåëüíàÿ âåðñèÿ...íî ïîâòîðþñü, ÷òî æå ìàñòåðà íå ïðîâåðÿþò ÷òî-ëè? Âîí ó íàøåãî ìåñòíîãî ìàñòåðèíã-ãóðó - Íåâèëà Êëàðêà - íó íè÷åãî íå êëèïïóåò. Õîòü òðåñíè. Îò ac/dc äî êëàññèêè è ëîêàëüíûõ àðòèñòîâ. Îí, êñòàòè, î÷åíü òðåïåòíî îòíîñèòñÿ ê âûáîðó cd íàðåçàëêè - ãîâîðèò îøèáêè è èñêàæåíèÿ ïðè ïðîæèãå ïîÿâëÿþòñÿ ÷àñòî. Ó íåãî òàì öåëàÿ òåîðèÿ (èçâèíèòå çà îôôòîï) À ìîæåò ýòî òàêîå òâîð÷åñêîå ðåøåíèå? Ìíå òðóäíî ñóäèòü, ïîòîìó êàê ÿ íå ïîíèìàþ ýòîãî ìóçûêàëüíîãî ìàòåðèàëà. |
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>Îò ac/dc Áëèí, à â 2009 ó íèõ êëèïóåò òàêè... >î÷åíü òðåïåòíî îòíîñèòñÿ ê âûáîðó cd íàðåçàëêè - ãîâîðèò îøèáêè è èñêàæåíèÿ ïðè ïðîæèãå ïîÿâëÿþòñÿ ÷àñòî. Ó íåãî òàì öåëàÿ òåîðèÿ (èçâèíèòå çà îôôòîï) Êñòàòè ñ óäîâîëüñòâèåì áû ïîñëóøàë äàííóþ òåîðèþ, áåç øóòîê, î÷åíü èíòåðåñíî ìíåíèå òàêîãî ÷åëà.
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åäð¸íûòü ýò âàì íå èòèòü.
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Òåìà: Re: ê âîïðîñó î ðàçíûõ îöåíêàõ ïëàñòèíêè ÎÏ by Bogdanov
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>Êñòàòè ñ óäîâîëüñòâèåì áû ïîñëóøàë äàííóþ òåîðèþ, áåç øóòîê, î÷åíü èíòåðåñíî ìíåíèå òàêîãî ÷åëà Ëó÷øàÿ íàðåçàëêà - DDP2.0 set.
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Òåìà: Re: ê âîïðîñó î ðàçíûõ îöåíêàõ ïëàñòèíêè ÎÏ by Bogdanov
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Ñ íàðåçàëêàìè â îáùåì ñëó÷àå ïðîùå ïðîñòîãî - ïèøåøü, ãðàáèøü, (ñ ó÷¸òîì ñìåùåíèé) ñðàâíèâàåøü ñ îðèãèíàëîì. Âû÷ëîñü â íîëü - âñ¸ ÎÊ. Íåîäíîêðàòíî òåñòèë è íåðó, è ôðèøíóþ àøàìïó (êîòîðîé æãó ñåé÷àñ) - âñ¸ è âñåãäà â íîëü. Ðåçàê îáû÷íûé ïèîíåð. |
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Òåìà: Re: ê âîïðîñó î ðàçíûõ îöåíêàõ ïëàñòèíêè ÎÏ by Bogdanov
Âðåìÿ: 26.05.2010 12:08 |
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äà ÿ ïðî æåëåçêè, à íå ïðî ïðîãðû...êàêîé ñä-ðîì ñòîèò... | |
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Òåìà: Re: ê âîïðîñó î ðàçíûõ îöåíêàõ ïëàñòèíêè ÎÏ by Bogdanov
Âðåìÿ: 26.05.2010 13:04 |
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to Õîçå - ïîñëåäíèé àëüáîì èì íå îí ìàñòåðèë íà ñêîëüêî ÿ çíàþ
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Âðåìÿ: 26.05.2010 13:36 |
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lady , êñòàòè â ïîñëåäíåì àëüáîìå è îíè íå èçáåæàëè ýòîé ìîäû â ãîíêå çà ãðîìêîñòüþ. Ýõ, ñëîìàëèñü ïîñëåäíèå èç ìîãèêàí.
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åäð¸íûòü ýò âàì íå èòèòü.
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Òåìà: Re: ê âîïðîñó î ðàçíûõ îöåíêàõ ïëàñòèíêè ÎÏ by Bogdanov
Âðåìÿ: 26.05.2010 15:09 |
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âñå ìû íå áåçãðåøíû
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Âðåìÿ: 26.05.2010 17:16 |
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>âñå ìû íå áåçãðåøíû Ïðîáëåìà ÷àùå âñåãî â êëèåíòàõ/çàêàç÷èêàõ... |
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Âðåìÿ: 26.05.2010 17:50 |
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>Ïðîáëåìà ÷àùå âñåãî â êëèåíòàõ/çàêàç÷èêàõ... Íåò, ïðîáëåìà â ñëóøàòåëÿõ. Ýòî îíè âåäü âîñïðèíèìàþò áîëåå ãðîìêóþ çàïèñü êàê áîëåå êà÷åñòâåííóþ è íàñûùåííóþ òåìáðàëüíî. À ìàðêåòèíãîâûå èññëåäîâàíèÿ òîëüêî ëèøü îòêðûëè ñåé ôàêò, îíè åãî íå èçîáðåëè. Íåò ñëóøàòåëåé - íåò ïðîáëåìû 
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>>Ïðîáëåìà ÷àùå âñåãî â êëèåíòàõ/çàêàç÷èêàõ... >Íåò, ïðîáëåìà â ñëóøàòåëÿõ. Ýòî îíè âåäü âîñïðèíèìàþò áîëåå ãðîìêóþ çàïèñü êàê áîëåå êà÷åñòâåííóþ è íàñûùåííóþ òåìáðàëüíî. À ìàðêåòèíãîâûå èññëåäîâàíèÿ òîëüêî ëèøü îòêðûëè ñåé ôàêò, îíè åãî íå èçîáðåëè. >Íåò ñëóøàòåëåé - íåò ïðîáëåìû Ìîæíî çàïèñàòüñÿ ê Âàì â ó÷åíèêè? |
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Òåìà: Re: ê âîïðîñó î ðàçíûõ îöåíêàõ ïëàñòèíêè ÎÏ by Bogdanov
Âðåìÿ: 26.05.2010 19:44 |
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Moscow
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>ïðîáëåìà â ñëóøàòåëÿõ. Ýòî îíè âåäü âîñïðèíèìàþò áîëåå ãðîìêóþ çàïèñü êàê áîëåå êà÷åñòâåííóþ è íàñûùåííóþ òåìáðàëüíî. -- Íó, ÿ âîò òîæå â êàêîé-òî ñòåïåíè ñëóøàòåëü Íî çàïèñü â êëèïàõ - âîñïðèíèìàþ íå êàê ÿðêóþ è ãðîìêóþ, à êàê ÁÐÀÊ. Çà êîòîðûé ïî÷åìó-òî ñ íàñ åù¸ è äåíüãè ñäèðàþò. È "ñòèëèñòèêà" çäåñü íå ïðè ÷¸ì - íà âèíèëå ñòèëåé áûëî íå ìåíüøå, íî íèêòî áðàê íà "ñòèëèñòèêó" íå ñïèñûâàë! |
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Òåìà: Re: ê âîïðîñó î ðàçíûõ îöåíêàõ ïëàñòèíêè ÎÏ by Bogdanov
Âðåìÿ: 26.05.2010 20:16 |
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Adelaide
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äà ÷òî ãîâîðèòü - íó òðóäíî óäåðæàòüñÿ - íó âîí ó Ïóïêèíà æå ãðîì÷å...à âîò ïîìíèòñÿ Ðèêè Ìàðòèí âàùå...è íè÷åãî, çâåçäà, ïîíèìàåøü ëè... âîéíà ãðîìêîñòè ïðîèãðàíà, ÷òî áû ìû òóò ñ âàìè íå ãîâîðèëè. Èñòîðèÿ èç æèçíè. Âçÿëà ïàðó ëåò íàçàä ñòàðøåãî ñ ñîáîé íà ñòóäèþ - åìó ïðàêòèêà â øêîëå íà êàíèêóëàõ íóæíà, à ìíå íå êîãî áûëî ïîñàäèòü ÷àñòîòêó çàìåðÿòü. Íó ÿ åìó âñ¸ ðàññêàçàëà, ÷òî ìîë âîò íå â ãðîìêîñòè ñ÷àñòüå, ìîë "íàñëàæäåíüå íå â öâåòàõ, à â èõ îòòåíêàõ" Îí ôèçèêó ñ ìàòåìàòèêîé ëþáèò, òàê ÷òî âûùèòûâàë ìîäû êîìíàòû ñ ðâåíèåì. ß åìó êîëáàñó îò L3 èëè ÷åãî-òî â ýòîì ðîäå ïîñòàâèëà ïî-òèøå, ÷òîáû ïî óðîâíþ îäèíàêîâî ñ òðýêîì áåç êîìïðåññèè - îí çàöåíèë èñêîâåðêàííîñòü çâóêà è ÷èòàåìîñòü òðýêà áåç òÿæåëîé êîìïðåññèè. Êîðî÷å ÿ ñ÷àñòëèâà, ìàëü÷èêà ïðîäâèíóëà. À âå÷åðîì ïàïî÷êà íàø ïðèòàùèë êîëîíî÷êè äëÿ êîìïà åìó â ïîäàðîê - ñàìè ìàõîíüêèå, íî ñ ñàáâóôåðîì. Îí èõ âðóáèë íà ïîëíóþ ìîùüíîñòü íà êàêîé-òî ñâîåé èãðå è ðîæà òàêàÿ ñ÷àñòëèâà. ß àæ çàèêàòüñÿ íà÷àëà, ãîâîðþ òû æå ñî ìíîé 3 äíÿ ïîòðàòèë, ÷òî áû ÷òî-òî ïîíÿòü, òû æå ñåé÷àñ îãëîõíåøü. À îí ìíå - äà òû ÷åãî, òû ïîñëóøàé êàêîé êàéô-òî - äûø-äûø, òðà-òà-òà... ß âîò âñ¸ íà ìëàäøåãî íàäåþñü. Ìîæåò îí ëó÷øå áóäåò.
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Òåìà: Re: ê âîïðîñó î ðàçíûõ îöåíêàõ ïëàñòèíêè ÎÏ by Bogdanov
Âðåìÿ: 26.05.2010 21:10 |
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Moscow
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-- À û ïîïðîáóéòå åìó íå ìàõîíüêèå, à íîðìàëüíûå. Âàòò ýäàê ïî 100, õîòÿ áû. (Íå øó÷ó, êñòàòè!) |
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Òåìà: Re: ê âîïðîñó î ðàçíûõ îöåíêàõ ïëàñòèíêè ÎÏ by Bogdanov
Âðåìÿ: 27.05.2010 01:14 |
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Saint-Petersburg
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>-- À û ïîïðîáóéòå åìó íå ìàõîíüêèå, à íîðìàëüíûå. >Âàòò ýäàê ïî 100, õîòÿ áû. >(Íå øó÷ó, êñòàòè!) Ëó÷øå 100 Âàòò ñèíóñà íà ïèùàëêå....  
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Òåìà: Re: ê âîïðîñó î ðàçíûõ îöåíêàõ ïëàñòèíêè ÎÏ by Bogdanov
Âðåìÿ: 27.05.2010 01:37 |
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2 dess >Ìîæíî çàïèñàòüñÿ ê Âàì â ó÷åíèêè?  Âîò ÷òî âû ïåðåäåðãèâàåòå? Ýòî ÿ ê âàì ïîéòè áûë ãîòîâ çà äîøèðàê, à âû: êòî ìåíüøå. À ÿ íå øóòèë 
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Òåìà: Re: ê âîïðîñó î ðàçíûõ îöåíêàõ ïëàñòèíêè ÎÏ by Bogdanov
Âðåìÿ: 27.05.2010 02:07 |
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Saint-Petersburg
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>2 dess >>Ìîæíî çàïèñàòüñÿ ê Âàì â ó÷åíèêè? > >Âîò ÷òî âû ïåðåäåðãèâàåòå? Ýòî ÿ ê âàì ïîéòè áûë ãîòîâ çà äîøèðàê, à âû: êòî ìåíüøå. À ÿ íå øóòèë Íå ïåðåä¸ðãèâàþ. Íî íàìåêàþ. Êîíêðåòíûõ ïðåäëîæåíèé/âîïðîñîâ îò Âàñ íå ïîñòóïàëî. |
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Òåìà: Re: ê âîïðîñó î ðàçíûõ îöåíêàõ ïëàñòèíêè ÎÏ by Bogdanov
Âðåìÿ: 27.05.2010 04:23 |
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Adelaide
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>Ëó÷øå 100 Âàòò ñèíóñà íà ïèùàëêå.... +100 Ìèõàèë, åñëè ñëîíû ïðîòîïòàëè òðîïó â óøàõ è ìîçãàõ - òóò íè÷åãî íå ñäåëàåøü. |
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Òåìà: Re: ê âîïðîñó î ðàçíûõ îöåíêàõ ïëàñòèíêè ÎÏ by Bogdanov
Âðåìÿ: 27.05.2010 12:22 |
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Moscow
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-- Íå ôàêò, íå ôàêò... Ïóñòü ïîñëóøàåò òî æå ñàìîå, íî íà ×ÈÑÒÎÉ áîëüøîé ãðîìêîñòè. Åñëè èñõîäíûé çâóê - áåç êëäèïîâ, òî ìîæåò è íåñêîëüêèõ äíåé õâàòèòü. (Áûëè ïðåöåäåíòû!) |
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