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Òåìà: The sound of silence by "Disturbed". Originally made and released by "Simon and Garfunkel" in 1964.
Âðåìÿ: 07.08.2019 17:41 
Ìîñêâà


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK_lsh27OTU
Âñåì çäðàâñòâóéòå! Ýòî íå ëàéâ, ýòî ÷òî-òî âðîäå êëèïà ñäåëàííîãî íà êîëåíêå, è îôîðìëåííîãî òàêèì îáðàçîì. Ïîèñêîì êàâåðîâ íà ýòó ïåñíþ íå íàøåë. Çàðàíåå ñïàñèáî!
ÏÑ íîðìàëüíûì òàêîå ðàñùåïëåíèå íå íàçâàòü, êîíå÷íî, èáî ðàñùåïëÿþ íà ñâÿçêàõ (ïî-äðóãîìó íå óìåþ), íî ÿ íå ïðîôè, è ïîþ íå ÷àñòî, ïîýòîìó ïîêà ìîÿ òåõíèêà ðàáîòàåò.
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: The sound of silence by "Disturbed". Originally made and released by "Simon and Garfunkel" in 1964.
Âðåìÿ: 07.08.2019 18:01 



>èáî ðàñùåïëÿþ íà ñâÿçêàõ (ïî-äðóãîìó íå óìåþ)

Íîðìàëüíî Ëÿ1. Ðîêåðñêèé âàðèàíò. Óáåäèòåëüíî.

Ñíèçó Ôà-äèåç â áîëüøîé íà ãðàíè...

À â îáùåì âñ¸ î÷åíü äàæå íåïëîõî.
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: The sound of silence by "Disturbed". Originally made and released by "Simon and Garfunkel" in 1964.
Âðåìÿ: 07.08.2019 18:01 

Lyric Bass / Bass-baritone

>Ïîèñêîì êàâåðîâ íà ýòó ïåñíþ íå íàøåë

ñòðàííî
ìíå òóò âñïîìíèëñÿ îäèí ïîïóëÿðíûé þòóáåðñêèé áàñ, ñïåöèàëèçèðóþùèéñÿ íà êàâåðàõ


https://vk.com/glamorous_bones - ìîÿ ãðóïïà
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: The sound of silence by "Disturbed". Originally made and released by "Simon and Garfunkel" in 1964.
Âðåìÿ: 07.08.2019 18:04 
Ìåòàëüíûé
Ñóïåð Ìîùíûé 5Îêòàâíûé ÇËÎÉ è ñòðàøíûé ÌßÓ×ÅËÎ.

âíèçó íå ïîíðàâèëîñü à âåðõà íîðì
òðîëèííãîâîå óäèëèùå
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: The sound of silence by "Disturbed". Originally made and released by "Simon and Garfunkel" in 1964.
Âðåìÿ: 07.08.2019 18:06 
Ìîñêâà


>>Ïîèñêîì êàâåðîâ íà ýòó ïåñíþ íå íàøåë
>ñòðàííî
>ìíå òóò âñïîìíèëñÿ îäèí ïîïóëÿðíûé þòóáåðñêèé áàñ, ñïåöèàëèçèðóþùèéñÿ íà êàâåðàõ
ß èìåë ââèäó, ÷òî íå íàøåë íà ôîðóìå. Ò.Å. íèêòî èç ôîðóì÷àí åå íå äåëàë. Âðîäå-áû.


>>èáî ðàñùåïëÿþ íà ñâÿçêàõ (ïî-äðóãîìó íå óìåþ)
>Íîðìàëüíî Ëÿ1. Ðîêåðñêèé âàðèàíò. Óáåäèòåëüíî.
>Ñíèçó Ôà-äèåç â áîëüøîé íà ãðàíè...
>À â îáùåì âñ¸ î÷åíü äàæå íåïëîõî.
Äà, ñíèçó íà ãðàíè. Âîîáùå-òî òàì ïîëàãàåòñÿ â íåñêîëüêèõ ìåñòàõ ìè áîëüøîé îêòàâû ïåòü, íî ÿ íå ñìîã.
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: The sound of silence by "Disturbed". Originally made and released by "Simon and Garfunkel" in 1964.
Âðåìÿ: 07.08.2019 18:08 

Lyric Bass / Bass-baritone

ïî òîïèêñòàðòåðó - íîðìàëüíî âñ¸, ñëóøàåòñÿ :idea2:

ñú¸ìêó óëó÷øèòü è ïðîñìîòðû ïîïðóò)
https://vk.com/glamorous_bones - ìîÿ ãðóïïà
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: The sound of silence by "Disturbed". Originally made and released by "Simon and Garfunkel" in 1964.
Âðåìÿ: 07.08.2019 18:16 
Ìîñêâà


>>Ïîèñêîì êàâåðîâ íà ýòó ïåñíþ íå íàøåë
>ñòðàííî
>ìíå òóò âñïîìíèëñÿ îäèí ïîïóëÿðíûé þòóáåðñêèé áàñ, ñïåöèàëèçèðóþùèéñÿ íà êàâåðàõ
È äà, òîâàðèøü òóò ñ÷èòåðèë íåìíîãî. Îðèãèíàë - ôà äèåç ìèíîð. Îí ñïåë â ðå äèåç ìèíîð.
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: The sound of silence by "Disturbed". Originally made and released by "Simon and Garfunkel" in 1964.
Âðåìÿ: 07.08.2019 18:25 
Ìîñêâà


Ïî ìîåìó ìíåíèþ, ïîñëå Äðýéìàíà, ëó÷øèé êàâåð íà ýòó ïåñíþ âîò ýòîò:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-LBj1NQk2Y
ß ìíîãî èõ ïîñìîòðåë, ïåðåä òåì, êàê ðåøèòüñÿ çàïèñàòü. Ïîâòîðþñü, ìîå ìíåíèå. ×êâàê òåíîð. Òåõíè÷åñêè âñå äåëàåò ïðàâèëüíî. Õèìèè (ïîñòîáðàáîòêè), â îòëè÷èè îò îñòàëüíûõ êàâåðøèêîâ - ìèíèìóì. Ðàñùåïëåíèå ïðèêîëüíîå.
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: The sound of silence by "Disturbed". Originally made and released by "Simon and Garfunkel" in 1964.
Âðåìÿ: 07.08.2019 18:26 

Lyric Bass / Bass-baritone

>È äà, òîâàðèøü òóò ñ÷èòåðèë íåìíîãî. Îðèãèíàë - ôà äèåç ìèíîð. Îí ñïåë â ðå äèåç ìèíîð.

à â ÷¸ì ÷èòåðñòâî? â êðàéíèõ âåðõàõ? âî-ïåðâûõ, ó íåãî è ãîëîñ êàê áû äðóãîé.
âî-âòîðûõ, â ýêñòðåìàëüíî íèçêèõ òåññèòóðàõ ïåòü î÷åíü íå ïðîñòî. òàê ÷òî âñ¸ óðàâíîâåøåíî â ýòîì ïëàíå - óïðîñòèâ â îäíîì àñïåêòå, âñ¸ óñëîæíÿåòñÿ â äðóãîì
https://vk.com/glamorous_bones - ìîÿ ãðóïïà
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: The sound of silence by "Disturbed". Originally made and released by "Simon and Garfunkel" in 1964.
Âðåìÿ: 07.08.2019 18:30 

Lyric Bass / Bass-baritone

à âîîáùå, êàâåðû êàâåðàìè, à îðèãèíàë Simon & Garfunkel âñ¸ ðàâíî â ðàçû ëó÷øå è Disturbed, è âñåõ âìåñòå âçÿòûõ êàâåðîâ íà íèõ)
https://vk.com/glamorous_bones - ìîÿ ãðóïïà
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: The sound of silence by "Disturbed". Originally made and released by "Simon and Garfunkel" in 1964.
Âðåìÿ: 07.08.2019 18:30 
Ìîñêâà


>>È äà, òîâàðèøü òóò ñ÷èòåðèë íåìíîãî. Îðèãèíàë - ôà äèåç ìèíîð. Îí ñïåë â ðå äèåç ìèíîð.
>à â ÷¸ì ÷èòåðñòâî? â êðàéíèõ âåðõàõ? âî-ïåðâûõ, ó íåãî è ãîëîñ êàê áû äðóãîé.
>âî-âòîðûõ, â ýêñòðåìàëüíî íèçêèõ òåññèòóðàõ ïåòü î÷åíü íå ïðîñòî. òàê ÷òî âñ¸ óðàâíîâåøåíî â ýòîì ïëàíå - óïðîñòèâ â îäíîì àñïåêòå, âñ¸ óñëîæíÿåòñÿ â äðóãîì
Íó â òîì, ÷òî îí âñå-òàêè ñïåë â íå îðèãèíàëüíîé òîíàëüíîñòè. Ýòî íå óìîëÿåò åãî çàñëóã, êîíå÷íî. Ïðîñòî ìíå ëè÷íî åãî êàâåð íå íðàâèòñÿ, òê ïî ìîåìó ìíåíèþ, òàì ïåðåáîð "õèìèè". ß î÷åíü ñîìíåâàþñü, ÷òî îí òàê ñìîæåò ñïåòü âæèâóþ. Î÷åíü ñîìíåâàþñü.
 ëþáîì ñëó÷àå, ñïàñèáî çà Âàø îòçûâ! Äîáðà Âàì!
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Õììì...
Âðåìÿ: 07.08.2019 18:31 

der Bär brummt

Õììì...

Ñëîæíîâàòåíüêàÿ èíòåðïðåòàöèÿ (by Disturbed), è åãî èñïîëíåíèå
ïðîñëàâèëîñü è îí ñ ãàñòðîëÿìè ìèð ïî êðóãó îáúåçäèë.

Âàøå èñïîëíåíèå êàê áû îïèñàòü.. ïîãðàíè÷íîå.
Óæå íå õî÷åòñÿ îòêëþ÷èòü ïîñëå ïåðâûõ ñòðî÷åê,
íî ñëûøíî ìíîãî ñëàáûõ ìåñò, ñëåãêà íåëîâêèõ.

Âàì òðóäíî äåëàòü ñàìûå íèæíèå çâóêè, è âåñü
ãðóäíîé ðåãèñòð (äî ïåðåõîäà íàâåðõ) íåäîñòàòî÷íî
'îáú¸ìíûé', íå îêðóãëûé è âíóøèòåëüíûé, íî âñ¸
æå íàìåêàþùèé íà íàòóæèâàíèå.
Âàøå âèáðàòî ïðîñêàêèâàåò ìåñòàìè ãäå âû òóæèòåñü,
îíî íå âîçíèêàåò âñåãäà ñàìî ïî ñåáå îäíîâðåìåííî
ñ ñèëüíûì çâóêîì

Âàì ïðèâû÷íåå ïåòü ÷àñòü íà îêòàâó âûøå, è òàì
çâóê ïîõîæ íà çâóê Disturbed,, îí òàêîé æå íàòóæíûé,
íî òèïè÷íûé.

È åñòü êó÷à ìåñò-îñëàáëåíèé, ÷òî ëè, ãäå âû âûâàëèâàåòåñü
èç çâóêà, êîòîðûé èíòåðåñåí.

Ïðîèçíîøåíèå íå áåç ñëàâÿíñêèõ ãëàñíûõ, íî âïîëíå
ñíîñíîå â öåëîì.

 îáùåì, òðóäíàÿ èíòåðïðåòàöèÿ è âû ãäå-òî íà ãðàíè,
ïî ìîåìó ìíåíèþ
Polar_Bear is a polar fox on steroids
Áåëûé Ìåäâåäü - ïåñåö íà ñòåðîèäàõ
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: The sound of silence by "Disturbed". Originally made and released by "Simon and Garfunkel" in 1964.
Âðåìÿ: 07.08.2019 18:31 

Lyric Bass / Bass-baritone

> ëþáîì ñëó÷àå, ñïàñèáî çà Âàø îòçûâ! Äîáðà Âàì!

:jap:
https://vk.com/glamorous_bones - ìîÿ ãðóïïà
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: The sound of silence by "Disturbed". Originally made and released by "Simon and Garfunkel" in 1964.
Âðåìÿ: 07.08.2019 18:42 
Ìîñêâà


>Õììì...
>Ñëîæíîâàòåíüêàÿ èíòåðïðåòàöèÿ (by Disturbed), è åãî èñïîëíåíèå
>ïðîñëàâèëîñü è îí ñ ãàñòðîëÿìè ìèð ïî êðóãó îáúåçäèë.
>Âàøå èñïîëíåíèå êàê áû îïèñàòü.. ïîãðàíè÷íîå.
>Óæå íå õî÷åòñÿ îòêëþ÷èòü ïîñëå ïåðâûõ ñòðî÷åê,
>íî ñëûøíî ìíîãî ñëàáûõ ìåñò, ñëåãêà íåëîâêèõ.
>Âàì òðóäíî äåëàòü ñàìûå íèæíèå çâóêè, è âåñü
>ãðóäíîé ðåãèñòð (äî ïåðåõîäà íàâåðõ) íåäîñòàòî÷íî
>'îáú¸ìíûé', íå îêðóãëûé è âíóøèòåëüíûé, íî âñ¸
>æå íàìåêàþùèé íà íàòóæèâàíèå.
>Âàøå âèáðàòî ïðîñêàêèâàåò ìåñòàìè ãäå âû òóæèòåñü,
>îíî íå âîçíèêàåò âñåãäà ñàìî ïî ñåáå îäíîâðåìåííî
>ñ ñèëüíûì çâóêîì
>Âàì ïðèâû÷íåå ïåòü ÷àñòü íà îêòàâó âûøå, è òàì
>çâóê ïîõîæ íà çâóê Disturbed,, îí òàêîé æå íàòóæíûé,
>íî òèïè÷íûé.
>È åñòü êó÷à ìåñò-îñëàáëåíèé, ÷òî ëè, ãäå âû âûâàëèâàåòåñü
>èç çâóêà, êîòîðûé èíòåðåñåí.
>Ïðîèçíîøåíèå íå áåç ñëàâÿíñêèõ ãëàñíûõ, íî âïîëíå
>ñíîñíîå â öåëîì.
>Â îáùåì, òðóäíàÿ èíòåðïðåòàöèÿ è âû ãäå-òî íà ãðàíè,
>ïî ìîåìó ìíåíèþ

Íà ãðàíè ÷åãî?
Ïîíèìàåòå, äåéñòâèòåëüíî ïåñíÿ î÷åíü ñëîæíàÿ. Ïåðåä çàïèñüþ ÿ åå íåñêîëüêî ðàç ñïåë â ìàøèíå ïîêà åõàë íà ðàáîòó. Áîëüøå òðåíèðîâàòüñÿ íåãäå. Êîãäà íà÷àëè ïèñàòü ÿ ðàçâîëíîâàëñÿ, òê çâóêîðåæèññåð ñêàçàë, ÷òî âñå íå ïðàâèëüíî, è âñå áûëî ïåðåñòðîåíî ïðÿì ïî-õîäó. Àíãëèéñêèé òóò î÷åíü ñëàáûé, ÿ ñîãëàñåí. Íî ñëàâÿíèçìû íà÷àëè âûñêàêèâàòü, êîãäà ÿ íà÷àë êîíöåíòðèðîâàòüñÿ íà ïåíèè, íà ðèòìèêå. È ïîòîì, êîãäà ÿ ïîëó÷èë ðåçóëüòàò, ÿ áûë î÷åíü óäèâëåí, òê ÿ ñâîáîäíî ðàçãîâàðèâàþ ïî-àíãëèéñêè, è áåç àêöåíòà, à òóò ïðîèçíîøåíèå òàêîå, êàê áóäòî ÿ åãî ïåðâûé ãîä ó÷ó. Ïîæàëóé äà, íàèáîëåå ñëàáûå ìåñòà - ïðîèçíîøåíèå, è íèçû. Òðóäíî ïåòü íèçû íà àäðåíàëèíå. Êàê-òî òàê. Ñïàñèáî çà îòçûâ.
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: The sound of silence by "Disturbed". Originally made and released by "Simon and Garfunkel" in 1964.
Âðåìÿ: 07.08.2019 18:54 

der Bär brummt

Valdis: äà, ñïàñèáî çà ññûëêó, èíòåðåñíûé âàðèàíò (îí âîîáùå
íå ïîëåç íà îêòàâó âûøå, íî çàòî ïîõðèïåë è ñäåëàë ïåíèå
ñ ïðåóâåëè÷åííîé âûðàçèòåëüíîñòüþ, ÷òî è îáåñïå÷èëî ðåçóëüòàò)

dr_Serj:
"ïîãðàíè÷íîå" = ìåæäó ïðèíÿòèåì êàê èíòåðåñíîå ëèáî îòáðàêîâêîé.
ß ñàì ê ýòîé ïåñíå ïðèëàæèâàëñÿ, ïîëó÷èòñÿ ëè ñïåòü - òàê ÷òî..
Polar_Bear is a polar fox on steroids
Áåëûé Ìåäâåäü - ïåñåö íà ñòåðîèäàõ
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: The sound of silence by "Disturbed". Originally made and released by "Simon and Garfunkel" in 1964.
Âðåìÿ: 07.08.2019 19:55 
Ìîñêâà


>(îí âîîáùå
>íå ïîëåç íà îêòàâó âûøå, íî çàòî ïîõðèïåë è ñäåëàë ïåíèå
>ñ ïðåóâåëè÷åííîé âûðàçèòåëüíîñòüþ, ÷òî è îáåñïå÷èëî ðåçóëüòàò)
 ýòîì êàâåðå ñïåòî âñå êàê íóæíî. Ìåëîäèÿ òà æå. Ïðîñòî ñòàðò âçÿò íà ïîëòîðà òîíà íèæå. âîò è âñå. Òàêèì îáðàçîì åñëè ó Äðåéìàíà âåðõíÿÿ ëÿ, òî ó ßíãà ôà-äèåç, ñîîòâåòñòâåííî. Âîò è âñÿ ðàçíèöà. À ìåëîäè÷åñêè - òî æå ñàìîå.
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: The sound of silence by "Disturbed". Originally made and released by "Simon and Garfunkel" in 1964.
Âðåìÿ: 07.08.2019 19:56 



Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: The sound of silence by "Disturbed". Originally made and released by "Simon and Garfunkel" in 1964.
Âðåìÿ: 07.08.2019 20:02 



>îðèãèíàë Simon & Garfunkel
äà òàì êëàññíî íà äâà ãîëîñà
çâó÷èò êðóòî



ñïåë íîðì íî åñòü êóäà óëó÷øàòü
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: The sound of silence by "Disturbed". Originally made and released by "Simon and Garfunkel" in 1964.
Âðåìÿ: 07.08.2019 20:03 
Ìîñêâà


Äåìîêðàò, âåñüìà íåîáû÷íîå âèäåíèå ïåñíè, íàïèñàííîé ïîä âëèÿíèåì îò óáèéñòâà Äæîíà Êåííåäè.
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: The sound of silence by "Disturbed". Originally made and released by "Simon and Garfunkel" in 1964.
Âðåìÿ: 07.08.2019 20:05 
Ìîñêâà


>>îðèãèíàë Simon & Garfunkel
>äà òàì êëàññíî íà äâà ãîëîñà
>çâó÷èò êðóòî
>ñïåë íîðì íî åñòü êóäà óëó÷øàòü
Íà ñàìîì äåëå, ìíå ýòà ìîÿ çàïèñü ñîâñåì íå íðàâèòñÿ. Åñëè ïî-÷åñòíîìó. Ïðîñòî è îïåðàòîð ñíèìàë, è çâóêîðåæèññåð ðàáîòàë, ïóòè íàçàä íå áûëî.
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: The sound of silence by "Disturbed". Originally made and released by "Simon and Garfunkel" in 1964.
Âðåìÿ: 07.08.2019 20:36 

der Bär brummt

> Íà ñàìîì äåëå, ìíå ýòà ìîÿ çàïèñü ñîâñåì íå íðàâèòñÿ.
> Åñëè ïî-÷åñòíîìó. Ïðîñòî è îïåðàòîð ñíèìàë, è çâóêîðåæèññåð
> ðàáîòàë, ïóòè íàçàä íå áûëî.

Íó òàê âûõîä î÷åíü ïðîñòîé: îñòàâëÿåòå âèäåî, ïî¸òå áåç ñòóäèè,
â îáû÷íûé êîíäåíñàòîðíûé USB-ìèêðîôîí ïðèñîáà÷åííûé ê êîìïó,
ëèáî â [êîíäåíñàòîðíûé]---[âíåøíÿÿ çâóêîâàÿ êàðòà]--[ê USB-ïîðòó êîìïà].

È ïî¸òå ñêîëüêî íóæíî, ïî êóñêàì, ïîäãàäûâàÿ âðåìÿ ñóòîê è õîðîøèé
äåíü è ò.ä.

.. è ïîòîì â ïðîñòåíüêîì âèäåî ðåäàêòîðå ìåíÿåòå çâóêîâóþ äîðîæêó.
Âåäü ðèòì è òåìï âñ¸ ðàâíî çàäà¸ò àêêîìïàíèìåíò, à îí îñòàíåòñÿ òåì
æå ñàìûì
Polar_Bear is a polar fox on steroids
Áåëûé Ìåäâåäü - ïåñåö íà ñòåðîèäàõ
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: The sound of silence by "Disturbed". Originally made and released by "Simon and Garfunkel" in 1964.
Âðåìÿ: 07.08.2019 20:46 
Ìîñêâà


>Íó òàê âûõîä î÷åíü ïðîñòîé: îñòàâëÿåòå âèäåî, ïî¸òå áåç ñòóäèè,
>â îáû÷íûé êîíäåíñàòîðíûé USB-ìèêðîôîí ïðèñîáà÷åííûé ê êîìïó,
>ëèáî â [êîíäåíñàòîðíûé]---[âíåøíÿÿ çâóêîâàÿ êàðòà]--[ê USB-ïîðòó êîìïà].
Òàê ó ìåíÿ åñòü íåïëîõîé ìèêðîôîí àóäèêñ îì 3. È êàðòà åñòü. Íî ãîëîñ ó ìåíÿ ãðîìêèé. Êàê áû ñîñåäè ïðîòèâ ìîåãî òâîð÷åñòâà)))
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: The sound of silence by "Disturbed". Originally made and released by "Simon and Garfunkel" in 1964.
Âðåìÿ: 09.08.2019 17:05 



>>Ïîèñêîì êàâåðîâ íà ýòó ïåñíþ íå íàøåë
>ñòðàííî
>ìíå òóò âñïîìíèëñÿ îäèí ïîïóëÿðíûé þòóáåðñêèé áàñ, ñïåöèàëèçèðóþùèéñÿ íà êàâåðàõ


à êàê òâîè óñïåõè â Áàñîâîì ïåíèè ?
åñòü ÷òî ïîñëóøàòü ?
âñÿ ìóçûêà êîòîðóþ ÿ óñïåë íàïèñàòü
è ñîâìåñòíûå ðàáîòû ñ äðóãèìè ìóçûêàíòàìè
ãðóïïà ñîçäàíà ìíîþ
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Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: The sound of silence by "Disturbed". Originally made and released by "Simon and Garfunkel" in 1964.
Âðåìÿ: 09.08.2019 17:44 

Lyric Bass / Bass-baritone

>à êàê òâîè óñïåõè â Áàñîâîì ïåíèè ?
>åñòü ÷òî ïîñëóøàòü ?

íîðìàëüíî. â ýòîì ìåñÿöå âûõîäèò àëüáîì (òàì äóýòèì ñ áðàòîì), âðåìåíàìè ñîëüíûå âåùè ïèøó. îñåíüþ, äóìàþ, óäåëþ âðåìÿ è êàâåðàì (ñ ïîëíîñòüþ ïåðåäåëàííûìè àðàíæèðîâêàìè).
åñëè áóäåò íàñòðîé, òî è ñþäà, ìîæåò, ÷åãî-íèáóäü âûëîæó)
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