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Òåìà: Âèäèìî â íåéðîõîíàêòè÷åñêîé òåîðèè Þññîíà ÷òî-òî åñòü
Âðåìÿ: 31.05.2009 17:16 
äåðåâíÿ Äåðåâÿííûé Ìîñò
áðÿêè, êðèêè

>Ðå÷åâîé ãåí ÷åëîâåêà íàó÷èë ìûøåé ïèùàòü áàðèòîíîì
http://www.lenta.ru/news/2009/05/29/bariton/

Âîò òóò âèäåî, ãäå ÷óâàê, ïîõîæèé íà Ìèêà Äæàããåðà, îáüÿñíÿåò.
http://download.cell.com/mmcs/journals/0092-8674/PIIS0092867...00378X.mmc2.mov

Ñ äâóìÿ ÷åëîâå÷üèìè ãåíàìè Foxb2 ñèíàïòè÷åñêàÿ ïëàñòè÷íîñòü â Striatum-å (îòäåë ìîçãà) ïîíèæàåòñÿ è ìûøè íà÷èíàþò ïèùàòü "áàðèòîíîì".

Ýòî êàê-áû êîñâåííî äîêàçûâàåò, ÷òî Þññîí áûë ïðàâ â òîì, ÷òî êîëåáàíèÿ ñâÿçîê åñòü íå óïðóãèå àâòîêîëåáàíèÿ, íî âûçûâàþòñÿ ñîêðàùåíèÿìè ìûøö, ïîä âîçäåéñòâèåì èìïóëüñîâ â íåéðîíàõ.
Åñëè ó ìûøåé ñèíàïñû íà÷èíàþò ðàáîòàòü ìåäëåííåå, òî ÷àñòîòà ïèñêà ïîíèæàåòñÿ.

Íî ÿ âñå ðàâíî íå âåðþ Þññîíó íà âñå 100%. Íàôèãà òðàòèòü ñòîëüêî íåðâíîé ýíåðãèè, åñëè ìîæíî äîáèòüñÿ òîãî-æå ðåçóëüòàòà àâòîêîëåáàíèÿìè?

ß ïðîáîâàë äåëàòü ãóáàìè áðððð, íà àâòîêîëåáàíèÿõ äåëàåòñÿ ëåãêî. À âîò òàê-æå áûñòðî áåç âîçäóõà øëåïàòü ãóáàìè íå ïîëó÷àåòñÿ.
À òàê æå åñëè çàæàòü ðîò è íîñ è èçäàâàòü çâóê, òî âèáðàöèÿ â ñâÿçêàõ îùóùàåòñÿ òîëüêî ïîêà åñòü äâèæåíèå âîçäóõà ñêâîçü íèõ. Êàê òîëüêî òîê ïðåêðàùàåòñÿ, òî è âèáðàöèÿ èñ÷åçàåò. À ïî Þññîíó, ìûøöû äîëæíû ïðîäîëæàòü âèáðèðîâàòü è áåç òîêà âîçäóõà.
âîò æåæ áëèí! :idea2:
“We act as though comfort and luxury were the chief
requirements of life, when all that we need to make us happy is
something to be enthusiastic about.”
Einstein
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Âèäèìî â íåéðîõîíàêòè÷åñêîé òåîðèè Þññîíà ÷òî-òî åñòü
Âðåìÿ: 31.05.2009 17:51 



âî-ïåðâûõ íåéðîõðîíàêÑè÷åñêàÿ
âî-âòîðûõ êàêîå îòíîøåíèå ýòî èìååò ê âîêàëó?
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Òåìà: Re: Âèäèìî â íåéðîõîíàêòè÷åñêîé òåîðèè Þññîíà ÷òî-òî åñòü
Âðåìÿ: 31.05.2009 18:13 



à ÃÄÅ ÂÈÄÅÎ ÃÄÅ ÌÛØÛ ÁÀÐÈÒÎÍÎÌ ÏÈÙÀÒ?
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Âèäèìî â íåéðîõîíàêòè÷åñêîé òåîðèè Þññîíà ÷òî-òî åñòü
Âðåìÿ: 31.05.2009 18:17 



ìûøöû áàðèòîíîì âèçæàò
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Âèäèìî â íåéðîõîíàêòè÷åñêîé òåîðèè Þññîíà ÷òî-òî åñòü
Âðåìÿ: 31.05.2009 18:23 
äåðåâíÿ Äåðåâÿííûé Ìîñò
áðÿêè, êðèêè

>âî-ïåðâûõ íåéðîõðîíàêÑè÷åñêàÿ
äà

>âî-âòîðûõ êàêîå îòíîøåíèå ýòî èìååò ê âîêàëó?

Íó êàê, à âîêàë îòêóäà ïðèøåë? È îòêóäà âîêàëüíûé çâóê áåðåòñÿ?
Þññîí ýòèìè âîïðîñàìè è çàíèìàëñÿ.


ß âîò ÷åãî äóìàþ. Âîçìîæíî èìïóëüñû Þññîíà íóæíû òîëüêî äëÿ çàòðàâêè êîëåáàíèé ñâÿçîê, ïîñëå ÷åãî îíè ïåðåõîäÿò â ôàçó àâòîêîëåáàíèé ïîä âîçäåéñòâèåì âîçäóõà.

ÈÌÕÎ, â ðå÷åâîé ìàíåðå ñâÿçêè êîëåáëþòñÿ áîëüøå ïî Þññîíîâñêîé íåéðîõðîíàêÑè÷åñêîé òåîðèè, à ïðè ïåíèè íà îïîðå, áîëüøå óæå ïî ìèîýëàñòè÷åñêîé òåîðèè.
Ýòî îáüÿñíÿåò è áûñòðóþ óñòàâàåìîñòü òåõ, êòî íå óìååò ïåòü è îðåò â ðå÷åâîé ìàíåðå (êàê ÿ), è òðóäíîñòè ñ èíòîíèðîâàíèåì è ðåãèñòðîâîñòü äèàïàçîíà.
Ìîçãó íàäî ïîñòîÿííî ãåíåðèðîâàòü ïîòîê èìïóëüñîâ íóæíîé ÷àñòîòû, à íåðâû-òî "íå æåëåçíûå", óñòàþò, çàáèâàþòñÿ ñèãíàëàìè. Ìûøöû ñâÿçîê òîæå óñòàþò ñîêðàùàòüñÿ ñîòíè ðàç â ñåê.

À ïðè ïåíèè íà îïîðå, ñâÿçêè êîëåáëþòñÿ àâòîìàòè÷åñêè ïîä âîçäåéñòâèåì äàâëåíèÿ âîçäóõà, â ñîîòâåòñòâèè ñ ìèîýëàñòè÷åñêîé òåîðèåé.
ìîçã ðàçãðóæàåòñÿ îò ðóòèííîé ðàáîòû òóïîãî ãåíåðàòîðà ÷àñòîòû, è áîëüøå çàíèìàåòñÿ êîíòðîëåì äàâëåíèÿ âîçäóõà, ñîìêíóòîñòè ñâÿçîê, ïîëîæåíèÿ ãîðòàíè, ÿçûêà è ïðî÷èõ ïåâ÷åñêèõ ôèãîâèí.
Ìûøöû ñâÿçîê ñîêðàùàþòñÿ ñëàáåå, òîëüêî ïîääåðæèâàÿ ÷àñòîòó ìèîýëàñòè÷åñêèõ àâòîêîëåáàíèé. Ìûøöû áîëüøå óæå êàê áû ñîçäàþò òîíóñ, íóæíóþ óïðóãîñòü ñâÿçîê äëÿ àâòîêîëåáàíèé íà íóæíîé ÷àñòîòå. Ýòî òðåáóåò îò íèõ ãîðàçäî ìåíüøèõ çàòðàò ýíåðãèè, â ñðàâíåíèè ñ ïðèíóäèòåëüíûì îòêðûâàíèåì-çàêðûâàíèåì ãîëîñîâîé ùåëè ñîòíè ðàç â ñåê.

Íàâåðíîå îáó÷åíèå ïåíèþ â ýòîì è ñîñòîèò, íàó÷èòüñÿ èñïîëüçîâàòü áîëüøå àâòîêîëåáàíèÿ ñâÿçîê, âìåñòî "íàñèëüñòâåííûõ" ìûøå÷íûõ ñîêðàùåíèé. :idea2:
“We act as though comfort and luxury were the chief
requirements of life, when all that we need to make us happy is
something to be enthusiastic about.”
Einstein
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Âèäèìî â íåéðîõîíàêòè÷åñêîé òåîðèè Þññîíà ÷òî-òî åñòü
Âðåìÿ: 31.05.2009 18:25 
äåðåâíÿ Äåðåâÿííûé Ìîñò
áðÿêè, êðèêè

>à ÃÄÅ ÂÈÄÅÎ ÃÄÅ ÌÛØÛ ÁÀÐÈÒÎÍÎÌ ÏÈÙÀÒ?
Âèäåî ñ "Ìèêîì Äæàããåðîì". Íî òàì òîëüêî ãðàôèê ÷àñòîò ïèñêà ìûøåé.
È ïîòîì, òû áû âîîáùå íå óñëûøàë íà âèäåî ìûøèíûé áàðèòîí - ýòî æ óëüòðàçâóê. :)
“We act as though comfort and luxury were the chief
requirements of life, when all that we need to make us happy is
something to be enthusiastic about.”
Einstein
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Âèäèìî â íåéðîõîíàêòè÷åñêîé òåîðèè Þññîíà ÷òî-òî åñòü
Âðåìÿ: 31.05.2009 22:10 



>È ïîòîì, òû áû âîîáùå íå óñëûøàë íà âèäåî ìûøèíûé áàðèòîí - ýòî æ óëüòðàçâóê.

ãûûû :lool:
Î÷åíü çäîðîâî, âñ¸-òàêè, æèòü! (ñ)
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Âèäèìî â íåéðîõîíàêòè÷åñêîé òåîðèè Þññîíà ÷òî-òî åñòü
Âðåìÿ: 31.05.2009 23:29 



>È ïîòîì, òû áû âîîáùå íå óñëûøàë íà âèäåî ìûøèíûé áàðèòîí - ýòî æ óëüòðàçâóê.
Î_Î ÙÈÒÎ? Ìàëàÿ îêòàâà óæå ÈÍÔÐÀçâóê?
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Âèäèìî â íåéðîõîíàêòè÷åñêîé òåîðèè Þññîíà ÷òî-òî åñòü
Âðåìÿ: 01.06.2009 18:05 
äåðåâíÿ Äåðåâÿííûé Ìîñò
áðÿêè, êðèêè

Ìàëàÿ ìûøèííàÿ îêòàâà óæå Íàíî-çâóê?
“We act as though comfort and luxury were the chief
requirements of life, when all that we need to make us happy is
something to be enthusiastic about.”
Einstein
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Âèäèìî â íåéðîõîíàêòè÷åñêîé òåîðèè Þññîíà ÷òî-òî åñòü
Âðåìÿ: 01.06.2009 18:10 
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