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Ìîñêâà


>Ìîæåò è ñèíãëû ðóëÿò.
>Ïåðåâåäèòå íðàâîó÷åíèÿ ïëèç)
>http://guitarsplayer.com/featured-articles/how-to -make-your-guitar-solos-legendary/
ß íà÷íó, à äàëüøå êòî-òü ïðîäîëæèò:
Every guitarist has their solo. The solo that just shakes them to the bone. That one guitar solo that makes the world a better place. That legendary solo.

For me it’s Comfortably Numb by Pink Floyd. When David rips into the most beautiful, melodic, flawless solo that I’ve ever heard, my day is instantly better.

The tone, the power, the careful phrasing is so moving. So how did he, and so many other rock greats, create their legendary solo?
Let’s dissect some of the greatest guitar solos of all time, and unlock the secrets that you can start using in your soloing today.

Êàê ñäåëàòü ñâî¸ ñîëî ëåãåí-äàðíûì!
Ó êàæäîãî ãèòàðèñòà åñòü ñâî¸ ñîëî, êîòîðîå ïðîáèðàåò äî êîñòåé. Îíî äåëàåò ýòîò ìèð ëó÷øèì ìåñòîì. Ëåãåíäàðíîå ñîëî.
Äëÿ ìåíÿ ýòî Comfortably Numb by Pink Floyd. Êîãäà Äýâèä çàïèëèâàåò ñàìîå ïðåêðàñíîå, ìåëîäè÷íîå, ïîòðÿñíîå ñîëî, êîòîðîå ÿ êîãäà ëèáî ñëûøàë, ìîÿ æèçíü ñðàçó ñòàíîâèòñÿ ëó÷øå :ves001: .
Òîí, ìîùü è àêêóðàòíàÿ ôðàçèðîâêà òàê ïîäâèæíû. Òàê êàê æå îí è ìíîãèå äðóãèå ãèãàíòû ðîêà äåëàþò ñâîè ëåãåíäàðíûå ñîëû.
Äàâàéòå ïðîàíàëèçèðóåì íåêîòîðûå âåëèêèå ãèòàðíûå ñîëû âñåõ âðåì¸í è ðàñêðîåì ñåêðåòû, êîòîðûå òû ìîæåøü íà÷àòü èñïîëüçîâàòü â ñâîèõ ñîëîÿêàõ óæå ñåãîäíÿ! :gent:
Áåç òðóäà íå âûòàùèøü è äÿòëà èç äóïëà :dotron:
óñòàë - óìðè :pitka: ©Sir FlyingV
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Fender

>Àêòèâû ñèíãëû ðóëÿò. íåòó ôîíà, âûõëîï ïðèëè÷íûé è äèíàìèêà õîðîøàÿ. EMG SV, SAV-Õ, SLV-Õ ñàìûå çà÷Îòêèå
íå òîëüêî àêòèâû, ó äèìàðçèî åñòü íåôîíÿùèå ñèíãëû íàïðèìåð Virtual solo ñàì õî÷ó ñåáå òàêîé ïîñòàâèòü :da:
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Ìîñêâà
Gibson LP, Fender Tele, Rickenbacker

>Äàâàéòå ïðîàíàëèçèðóåì íåêîòîðûå âåëèêèå ãèòàðíûå ñîëû âñåõ âðåì¸í è ðàñêðîåì ñåêðåòû, êîòîðûå òû ìîæåøü íà÷àòü èñïîëüçîâàòü â ñâîèõ ñîëîÿêàõ óæå ñåãîäíÿ!

Íýíñè - Äûì ñèãàðåò ñ íèêÀòèíÀì! ...ììììì :super:
...àïîñëÿ â ðîéàëü íàñðàëè,
÷óäíî âðåìÿ ïðîâåëè.
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Fender

:ves12:
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Áîëüøîé Ìàêàðîííûé Ïðîâàéäåð

>íå òîëüêî àêòèâû, ó äèìàðçèî åñòü íåôîíÿùèå ñèíãëû íàïðèìåð Virtual solo ñàì õî÷ó ñåáå òàêîé ïîñòàâèòü
ìèíèõàìáàêåðû èëè õàìêåíñëåðû (âåðòèêàëüíûå äâå êàòóøêè) âñå ðàâíî ôîíÿò. êàê ëþáûå õàìáàðè ôîíÿò áîëüøå ÷åì àêòèâû, ê ñîæàëåíèþ, è ó òàêèõ ñèíãëîâ âûõëîïà ìåíüøå äàæå ÷åì ó îáû÷íûõ, ïîòîìó ÷òî êàòóøêè íà îäíîé îñè, âû÷åòàþòñÿ âçàèìíî ôîíû, íî è ïîëåçíûå ñèãíàëû ïðàêòè÷åñêè ñèíôàçíû.
âîáùåì ýòî ñëîæíîå êîëäÓíñòâî. :yes:
Îäíî â àêòèâàõ îòñòîéíî - ïåðåêëþ÷åíèå. òîåñòü ïðè âêëþ÷åíèè äâóõ ñèíãëîâ-ïàññèâîâ îáðàçóåòñÿ õàìáàðü ó êîòîðîãî ðåçîíàíñíûé ïèê íèæå, è çâóê áîëåå òåïëûé (íó ïðè óñëîâèè, ÷òî ïåðåêëþ÷àòåëü äàåò ïîñëåäîâàòåëüíîå à íå ïàðàëëåëüíîå âêëþ÷åíèå êàòóøåê :yes: ). à íà àêòèâàõ òóïî ñóììèðóþòñÿ ãîòîâûå ñèãíàëû ñ äàò÷èêîâ, õîòÿ ÿ ýòî ãîâîðèë íàïðìåð ïðî EMG.
Ãîâîðÿò Áàðòîëèíåâûå ñèíãëû èìåþò ïîñò-ïðåàìï íåò? :4: òîåñòü ïðîñòî ñëàáûå äàò÷èêè-ïàññèâû, à çàòåì ïîñëå âñåõ ïåðåëþ÷åíèé - àêòèâíûé ïðåàìï - áûëî áû õîðîøî, òîãäà áû ïåðåêëþ÷åíèå áûëî áû "ïàññèâíûì" :yes:
:ves001:
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ãèòàðà

Êàêèå âûõëîïû? Äåòè ïîäçåìåëèé. ÅÂÐÎ-4 äàæå ó íàñ óæå.
ãðàôèíÿ. à ïî÷åìó àðáóç íå êóøàåòå? äà íó èâî. òîëüêî óõè ïà÷êàåò.
Ãèòàðû èáàíåç. êàê êîñòþìû Àäèäàñ. Âûøå äàëüøå ñèëüíåå. íî à ìóçûêà ïîòîì.
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Áîëüøîé Ìàêàðîííûé Ïðîâàéäåð

>Êàêèå âûõëîïû?
ìàêñèìàëüíûé âûõîäíîé ñèíãàëú â ìèëèâîëüòàõ\âîëüòàõ :umnik: çàâèñèò îò èíäóêòèâíîñòè êàòóøêè, êîìáèíàöèè âèòêîâ, ãåîìåòðèè, ìàãíèòîâ, ðàññòîÿíèÿ äî ñòðóí, ïðîâîëîêè
:ves001:
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áèëåò
íà áàëåò

íåôîíÿùèå ñèíãëû ýòî âñå ðåçèíîâûå áàáû
Rock-n-Roll ýòî æìóðü :svet:
ß òâîðþ íåìîòèâèðîâàííûå àêòû êðàñîòû :love:

Õåíäðèêñ ñäîõ à Êèðêîðîâ æèâ. Ïåë Ïðåñëè ñòîíàë Ëåïñ.. È Êîáåéí â õîõëîìå. Òàêèå âîò òâîð÷åñêèå âå÷åðà â Ïèòåðå.  êâàðòèðå ñ Âèäîì íà Êàçàíñêèé. (ñ) Time
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Áîëüøîé Ìàêàðîííûé Ïðîâàéäåð

⇒ Ìèõîí Áîÿðñêèé ⇐ , à àêòèâíûå ñèíãëû ýòî àêòèâíûå áàáû ñî ñòðàïîíîì? :uhoh:
:ves001:
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hunter behind heads

íó âîò, êàê âñåãäà âñå ñâåëîñü ê íåôîíÿùèì ñòðàïîíàì :smile1:
- How do I get to Carnegie Hall?
- Practice, practice, practice.
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Áîëüøîé Ìàêàðîííûé Ïðîâàéäåð

>íó âîò, êàê âñåãäà âñå ñâåëîñü ê íåôîíÿùèì ñòðàïîíàì
òàê óæå ñâîäèëîñü?!?! :ves001: :uhoh:
:ves001:
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SD Custom Guitar

>>íåôîíÿùèå ñèíãëû ýòî âñå ðåçèíîâûå áàáû

>⇒ Ìèõîí Áîÿðñêèé ⇐ , à àêòèâíûå ñèíãëû ýòî àêòèâíûå áàáû ñî ñòðàïîíîì?

ýâîíà êàê âñå îáåðíóëîñü :da:
à ïüåçà òàäà ÷åãî?
Ýòî ñåé÷àñ âñå ïî íàðîøêè. À ðàíüøå. Êàê æèëè òàê è èãðàëè.
http://vk.com/ivandeus
http://www.youtube.com/c/Deussoftwebru
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Áîëüøîé Ìàêàðîííûé Ïðîâàéäåð

>à ïüåçà òàäà ÷åãî?
:4: ïîðíîæóðíàë?
:ves001:
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áèëåò
íà áàëåò

õàìáû ýòî âàùå ñàäîìàçî øòóêè
Rock-n-Roll ýòî æìóðü :svet:
ß òâîðþ íåìîòèâèðîâàííûå àêòû êðàñîòû :love:

Õåíäðèêñ ñäîõ à Êèðêîðîâ æèâ. Ïåë Ïðåñëè ñòîíàë Ëåïñ.. È Êîáåéí â õîõëîìå. Òàêèå âîò òâîð÷åñêèå âå÷åðà â Ïèòåðå.  êâàðòèðå ñ Âèäîì íà Êàçàíñêèé. (ñ) Time
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>>à ïüåçà òàäà ÷åãî?
> ïîðíîæóðíàë?
"âîëîñàòàÿ ïüåçà"
:lool:
- How do I get to Carnegie Hall?
- Practice, practice, practice.
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Ìîñêâà


>ïðîäàòü Ñòðàò è êóïèòü Òåëåê, íî ïî ïðåæíåìó õîòåòü Ñòðàò, áàòåíüêà, äà âû ìàçîõèñò
íå,ÿ ñèíãëû õî÷ó,à íå ñòðàò)



>fusionman , ÷òî çà ñòðàò áûë?
êëýïòîíà ñèãíàòóðà
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Áîëüøîé Ìàêàðîííûé Ïðîâàéäåð

>õàìáû ýòî âàùå ñàäîìàçî øòóêè
:3_7_1:
òî÷íî :uhoh: â ïðèíöèïå åñòü åùå âàðèê õàìû ñ îòñå÷êîé :yes:
åñòü òàêàÿ ïîëåçíàÿ õðåíü íàïðèìåð ó ñåéìóð äóðêàíîâ:

ìèêðîïåðåêëþ÷àòåëü ïðÿìî â îïðàâêå õàìáàðÿ.
Äàåò âàðèàíòû ïåðåêëþ÷åíèÿ:
Õàìáàêåð îáû÷íûé, Õàìáàêåð ïàðàëëåëüíûé (êàòóøêè ïàðàëëåëüíî, î÷åíü çâîíêèé çâóê), Ñèíãë1, Ñèíãë2
ïðèêîëüíî âîò ñ òàêîé øòóêîé áûëî áû :yes:

Ñ÷èòàé ìîæíî è ñòðàòîâñêèé ñèíãë ñäåëàòü, è ãèáñîíîâñêóþ ìûëüíèöó Ð-90 :super:
:ves001:
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>êëýïòîíà ñèãíàòóðà
ìíå îí, êñòàòè, î÷åíü íðàâèëñÿ
âûêóïàé îáðàòíî! :idea2:
- How do I get to Carnegie Hall?
- Practice, practice, practice.
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Fender

>>íå òîëüêî àêòèâû, ó äèìàðçèî åñòü íåôîíÿùèå ñèíãëû íàïðèìåð Virtual solo ñàì õî÷ó ñåáå òàêîé ïîñòàâèòü
>ìèíèõàìáàêåðû èëè õàìêåíñëåðû (âåðòèêàëüíûå äâå êàòóøêè) âñå ðàâíî ôîíÿò. êàê ëþáûå õàìáàðè ôîíÿò áîëüøå ÷åì àêòèâû, ê ñîæàëåíèþ, è ó òàêèõ ñèíãëîâ âûõëîïà ìåíüøå äàæå ÷åì ó îáû÷íûõ, ïîòîìó ÷òî êàòóøêè íà îäíîé îñè, âû÷åòàþòñÿ âçàèìíî ôîíû, íî è ïîëåçíûå ñèãíàëû ïðàêòè÷åñêè ñèíôàçíû.
>âîáùåì ýòî ñëîæíîå êîëäÓíñòâî.
>Îäíî â àêòèâàõ îòñòîéíî - ïåðåêëþ÷åíèå. òîåñòü ïðè âêëþ÷åíèè äâóõ ñèíãëîâ-ïàññèâîâ îáðàçóåòñÿ õàìáàðü ó êîòîðîãî ðåçîíàíñíûé ïèê íèæå, è çâóê áîëåå òåïëûé (íó ïðè óñëîâèè, ÷òî ïåðåêëþ÷àòåëü äàåò ïîñëåäîâàòåëüíîå à íå ïàðàëëåëüíîå âêëþ÷åíèå êàòóøåê ). à íà àêòèâàõ òóïî ñóììèðóþòñÿ ãîòîâûå ñèãíàëû ñ äàò÷èêîâ, õîòÿ ÿ ýòî ãîâîðèë íàïðìåð ïðî EMG.
>Ãîâîðÿò Áàðòîëèíåâûå ñèíãëû èìåþò ïîñò-ïðåàìï íåò? òîåñòü ïðîñòî ñëàáûå äàò÷èêè-ïàññèâû, à çàòåì ïîñëå âñåõ ïåðåëþ÷åíèé - àêòèâíûé ïðåàìï - áûëî áû õîðîøî, òîãäà áû ïåðåêëþ÷åíèå áûëî áû "ïàññèâíûì"
ñëóøàé, èäè íà ôîðóì èíæåíåðîâ :oooi: êîìó îíî òóò íàäî :4:
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Áîëüøîé Ìàêàðîííûé Ïðîâàéäåð

>ñëóøàé, èäè íà ôîðóì èíæåíåðîâ êîìó îíî òóò íàäî
íå ïîñûëàé, äà íåïîñëàííûì áóäåøü :idea2: íå ãîâîðè çà âñåõ! êîìó-òî ìîæåò áóäåò ïîëåçíî.
:ves001:
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Fender

Oleg BachTeen , òåáå íà ÃÏ íàäî, òàì òàêèõ òåîðåòèêîâ êóíã-ôó ìíîãî. :oooi: Áóäåò èíòåðåñíî ïîîáùàòüñÿ.
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Áîëüøîé Ìàêàðîííûé Ïðîâàéäåð

OdinMan , à ìîæåò ìåíÿ âûãíàëè îòòóäà íà ÌÔ) :4: ÿ íå òåîðåòèê. íàê ìíå òåîðåòèêè, ñïîðèòü ñ íèìè áëèí åùå :blabla:
:ves001:
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Ìîñêâà
SD Custom Guitar

>à ìîæåò ìåíÿ âûãíàëè îòòóäà íà ÌÔ)
îòæåææåñòü :lol:
Ýòî ñåé÷àñ âñå ïî íàðîøêè. À ðàíüøå. Êàê æèëè òàê è èãðàëè.
http://vk.com/ivandeus
http://www.youtube.com/c/Deussoftwebru
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Áîëüøîé Ìàêàðîííûé Ïðîâàéäåð

>îòæåææåñòü
à êàêîâî ìíå, áðî :15:
:ves001:
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Oleg BachTeen , :isok:
- How do I get to Carnegie Hall?
- Practice, practice, practice.
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Go Ahead! Drink with the Living Dead!

>OdinMan , à ìîæåò ìåíÿ âûãíàëè îòòóäà íà ÌÔ) ÿ íå òåîðåòèê. íàê ìíå òåîðåòèêè, ñïîðèòü ñ íèìè áëèí åùå
Íó, òîãäà ñâàÿé áóðàòèíó è ýêñïåðèìåíòèðóé ñ íèì äî ïîñèíåíèÿ. Åñëè ïåðåáèðàòü ìíîãî âàðèàíòîâ íà ñëóõ, ìîæíî íàðûòü î÷åíü èíòåðåñíûå çâóêè.
Ñòàðûå ìîñòû ìîãóò åùå ïðèãîäèòüñÿ. Ëó÷øå ñæå÷ü ñòàðûå ãðàáëè.
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Ìîñêâà


ÿ äàæå óáðàë îòñå÷êè ñî ñâîåãî Ê7 ïîýòîìó

À íà Ê7 îòñå÷êè åñòü?
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Òåìà: Re: Ñèíãëû ðóëÿò
Âðåìÿ: 16.07.2012 16:04 
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iojeg ,
>Âèäèìî ÿ îäèí èç íåìíîãèõ êòî ïîñëå 1é ãèòàðû-çîìáåé âçÿòîé çà 2 ÿùåãà ïèâà êóïèë ÓÑÀ ñòðàò è áîëüøå íàôèã íèêàêîé ïàëêè íåõî÷åò Íó òîëüêî åñëè 70õ ãîäîâ èëè êàñòîìøîï òàêîéæå
Íå, íå îäèí :ulyb: Òîæå ñ êèòàÿ â ñâîå âðåìÿ ïåðåøåë íà àì. äåëþêñ ñòðàò, äî ýòîãî 6 ëåò èãðàë íà Focus by Kramer :oooi: Ùà, ïðàâäà, çàäóìûâàþñü î òðóÚ ñòðàòå ñ ñèíãëàìè, æåëàòåëüíî èç ÿñåíÿ :love:




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>âûêóïàé îáðàòíî!
Ìíå òîæ íðàâèòñÿ :-) fusionman , íå æàëêî áûëî, âåñ÷ü æå :ulyb:
ß ïîñòðîþ ñâîé ëóííûé ìîäóëü, ñ áëýêäæåêîì è øëþõàìè! È âîîáùå, ê ÷åðòó ëóííûé ìîäóëü è áëýêäæåê!(ñ) Áåíäåð
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Òåìà: Re: Ñèíãëû ðóëÿò
Âðåìÿ: 16.07.2012 16:31 
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SD Custom Guitar

>ÿ äàæå óáðàë îòñå÷êè ñî ñâîåãî Ê7 ïîýòîìó
>À íà Ê7 îòñå÷êè åñòü?

íåò, íî ó ìåíÿ ìåíÿíû çâó÷êè ïîýòîìó áûëè
http://deus.softweb.ru/?p=44
Ýòî ñåé÷àñ âñå ïî íàðîøêè. À ðàíüøå. Êàê æèëè òàê è èãðàëè.
http://vk.com/ivandeus
http://www.youtube.com/c/Deussoftwebru
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Òåìà: Re: Ñèíãëû ðóëÿò
Âðåìÿ: 17.07.2012 01:31 

Fender

ñïðîñèë íà þòóïå â êàìåíòàõ ó ýòîãî ÷óâàêà ïðî åãî ñòðàò, äàò÷åãè è ýêâèï. Âîò ÷òî îí îòâåòèë, åñëè êîìó èíòåðåñíî:

Hi there, glad you liked the video. That particular strat is an American 62 reissue from 1987. It has Seymour Duncan Alnico Pro II pickups in the neck and middle, and at that time I had a Dimarzio Tone Zone in the bridge. I'm plugged into a Blackstar Stage HT 60watt combo, and I'm not using any effects apart from a bit of reverb I added later in the mix. Hope this helps answer your question. Thanks, Paul.
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Òåìà: Re: Ñèíãëû ðóëÿò
Âðåìÿ: 17.07.2012 02:05 
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OdinMan , :agree:
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Òåìà: Re: Ñèíãëû ðóëÿò
Âðåìÿ: 17.07.2012 07:57 
Ìîñêâà
SD Custom Guitar

êàêîé ÷óâàê âåæëèâûé
Ýòî ñåé÷àñ âñå ïî íàðîøêè. À ðàíüøå. Êàê æèëè òàê è èãðàëè.
http://vk.com/ivandeus
http://www.youtube.com/c/Deussoftwebru
 ýòîò ôîðóì ìîãóò ïèñàòü òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûå ïîëüçîâàòåëè!