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Òåìà: SP2 vs SP88X
Âðåìÿ: 30.08.2007 16:35 |
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Â÷åðà çàâåçëè íà Ñëàìè íàêîíåö-òî íîâîå ïèàíèíî îò êóöåâ SP2. Âîò òåïåðü è äóìàé ÷òî ïîêóïàòü, ïðåèìóùåñòâî âðîäå íà ëèöî âäâîå áîëüøå èíñòðóìåíòîâ (â òîì ÷èñëå áàðàáàíû), ìîëîòêîâàÿ êëàâà, óëó÷øåííûé äâèæîê ñèíòåçà, ìåòðîíîì, áîëåå ìîùíûé ýôôåêò-ïðîöåññîð, ìóëüòèòåìáðàëüíîñòü 16 ìèäè-êàíàëîâ, ðàçáèåíèå íà 4 çîíû... è äîðîæå âñåãî íà ~1000ð. Äà âîò ÷åðâü ñîìíåíèÿ ãëîæåò - SP88X èíñòðóìåíò ñðàâíèòåëüíî ñòàðûé, õîðîøî çàðåêîìåíäîâàâøèé ñåáÿ, âî âñÿêîì ñëó÷àå îòçûâû îò íåéòðàëüíûõ äî âåñüìà ïîëîæèòåëüíûõ, ïðè÷åì ïîñëåäíèå êàæåòñÿ ïðåîáëàäàþò... À SP2 èíñòðóìåíò íîâûé è ïîêà åùå íå îáêàòàííûé, ìîãóò áûòü êàêèå-òî ïîäâîäíûå êàìíè.  ïðèíöèïå, äåìêè è âíåøíèé âèä ìíå ó SP88X ïîíðàâèëèñü áîëüøå õîòÿ ýòî, êîíå÷íî, íå àðãóìåíò. À æèâüåì ÿ íå ñëûøàë è íå ëàïàë íè òîò íè äðóãîé, íó íåò ó ìåíÿ òàêîé âîçìîæíîñòè... ׸ äåëàòü áëèí?.. Åñëè êòî çàþçàåò íîâûé èíñ ïîäåëèòåñü âïå÷àòëåíèÿìè, õîðîøî? |
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Òåìà: Re: SP2 vs SP88X
Âðåìÿ: 30.08.2007 17:18 |
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îñíîâíàÿ ðàçíèöà - ýòî ô-íî òåìáð! SP88X - ÿðêèé çâóê ô-íî(award-winning Kurzweil sounds) - MONO ñýìïë. SP2 - äîñòîéíûé!(triple strike Grand Piano sound) - STEREO ñýìïë. ìíîãèå ëþáÿò ÿðêèé çâóê(è íå òîëüêî ô-íî). ó ìåíÿ åñòü îáà ô-íî: PC88 =SP88X; è ME1 =SP2. ðåêîìåíäóþ ïîêóïàòü SP2!(ïî ìíîãèì ïðè÷èíàì). |
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Òåìà: Re: SP2 vs SP88X
Âðåìÿ: 02.09.2007 15:25 |
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Îãðîìíîå ñïàñèáî rollland ÷òî îòêëèêíóëèñü. Âû ïðàâû ÷òî çâóê ìîíîñýìïëà áîëåå ÿðêèé è ìîùíûé. Triple Strike Grand Piano ìíå òîæå ïîíðàâèëñÿ, íî òå ñýìïëû êîòîðûå áûëè â ñòàòüå íà ÌÎ ïðî ÌÅ-1. À âîò ôèðìåííàÿ SP2 äåìêà, ïîêàçàëàñü êàêîé-òî òóñêëîâàòîé ïðè÷åì íå òîëüêî ô-íî, íî è âñÿ â öåëîì. Ïîýòîìó î÷åíü æàëü ÷òî íå ìîãó ïîñëóøàòü èíñ ñàì, æèâüåì. Êàêèå åù¸ ìíåíèÿ áóäóò, ãîñïîäà êëàâèøíèêè, íåóæòî åù¸ íèêòî ñàì íå ïîïðîáîâàë? À âû R-A-Y ÷òî ìîæåòå ñêàçàòü? Åù¸ íå èíòåðåñîâàëèñü íîâèíêîé? Ìíå ïðîñòî äî Ìîñêâû äàëåêîâàòî, îòñþäà âñÿ ïðîáëåìà... Íå ìîãó îáîéòèñü áåç ñîâåòà, áîëåå êîìïåòåíòíûõ òîâàðèùåé:):):) |
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Òåìà: Re: SP2 vs SP88X
Âðåìÿ: 02.09.2007 17:39 |
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ñòðàííî, SP2 äåìêîé ðåêëàìèðóåò íå ô-íî à äðóãèå âëîæåííûå íåêîòîðûå çâóêè(èç new PC2X). íàâåðíîå ïîòîìó ÷òî òå-æå "kurzweil PC" ô-íî äåìêè óæå åñòü! ÿ ïîêóïàë ME1 äëÿ îòäåëüíîãî äîñòîéíîãî ñîëî ô-íî òåìáðà. ïðî ìèêñ íå äóìàë - íàâåðíîå ìîíî è îäíîñëîéíîå(ìîùíîå) ô-íî ëó÷øå ïîäõîäèò äëÿ ìèêñà. íî â ëþáîì ñëó÷àå SP2 êðó÷å!!! - âñå ïàðàìåòðû; hammer êëàâèàòóðà; 4 çîíû(combi)!!! è òä.... - ïî-ïîçæå åñëè ÷òî äîêóïèòü ìîäóëü. ìîé èíñ kurzweil PC88 êëàâà ñ êîíòðîëåðàìè(îñîáåííî íðàâÿòñÿ ñëàéäåðû 4 çîí) + ìîäóëü ME1. = âîçìîæíû ëþáûå êîìáèíàöèè(òåìáðîâ). |
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Òåìà: Re: SP2 vs SP88X
Âðåìÿ: 04.09.2007 11:02 |
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Îïà!!! Îêàçûâàåòñÿ íîâûõ StagePiano òîæå äâà - SP2(13 êã, 1247 ìì) è SP2X(22 êã, 1412 ìì). Íà ñàéòå îá ýòîì íè ñëîâà, à âîò â ìàíóàëå, òàì ãäå óêàçûâàþòñÿ ãàáàðèòû è âåñ íàïèñàëè, ïðàâäà ýòî åäèíñòâåííîå ìåñòî ãäå îá ýòîì óïîìèíàåòñÿ. Åñëè åùå îäíî èñïîëíåíèå ñóùåñòâóåò òàì ÿâíî ïîëóâçâåøåííàÿ êëàâà áóäåò, äà è 16,5 ñì êóäà-òî ïîäåâàëè? Ëèáî îêòàâó óáðàëè, ëèáî êîëåñà ìîäóëÿöèè ïåðåíåñëè â äðóãîå ìåñòî... Òàêèå âîò ïèðîãè. Ì-äà, âèäèìî ïîêà íèêòî íå çàöåíèë æèâüåì... Ìíå òóò âîò ÷òî åù¸ èíòåðåñíî, åñòü â ô-íî ÐÑ2 ñåðèè çâóê ïî õàðàêòåðó ïîõîæèé íà SP88X è åù¸ ñ MicroPiano ìîäóëÿìè êòî-íèáóäü ñòàëêèâàëñÿ? Ñòàðàÿ SP ñåðèÿ íà íèõ îñíîâàíà, ñêîëüêî îíè ïðèìåðíî ñòîÿò? |
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Òåìà: Re: SP2 vs SP88X
Âðåìÿ: 04.09.2007 15:37 |
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ñïàñèáî çà íîâîñòü, çíà÷èò: SP2 - 76-note semi-weighted(13êã); SP2X - 88-note hammer-action(22êã). åñëè íóæåí õîðîøèé "ÿðêèèé è ìîùíûé" çâóê ô-íî, ðåêîìåíäóþ roland RD-700SX èëè òîò-æå ô-íî(64MÁ) â expansion board SRX-11. åù¸ îòëè÷íî çâó÷èò ô-íî(53MÁ) yamaha S-90ES è motif XS8! î÷ äîñòîéíûé ô-íî nord stage è new "kurzweil PC*" (=SP2). ñòàðûå kurzweil ô-íî(ìîíî è îäíîñëîéííûå) - micro piano; sp88x; pc88mx - óæå íåòàê èíòåðåñíûå êàê ðàíøå áûëè(Stage Pianos have the award-winning Kurzweil sounds!). - áîëüøå èç æåëåçíûõ(korg; GEM; kawai; alesis; casio; .. èòä.) - íîðìàëüíûõ ô-íî íåòó èìõî. |
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Òåìà: Re: SP2 vs SP88X
Âðåìÿ: 04.09.2007 18:19 |
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Äà, Yamaha è Roland õîðîøè, íî è ñòîÿò â òðè ðàçà äîðîæå. Î÷åíü èíòåðåñíî ïîïðîáîâàòü ìåõàíèêó hammer-action íà SP2X. Ëè÷íî ìíå ìåõàíèêà SP-88X íåî÷åíü íðàâèòñÿ.(â îòëè÷èè îò çâóêà) |
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Òåìà: Re: SP2 vs SP88X
Âðåìÿ: 04.09.2007 18:41 |
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>Î÷åíü èíòåðåñíî ïîïðîáîâàòü ìåõàíèêó hammer-action íà SP2X. Ëè÷íî ìíå ìåõàíèêà SP-88X íåî÷åíü íðàâèòñÿ.(â îòëè÷èè îò çâóêà) êîíå÷íî SP2(X?) êëàâèàòóðà ëó÷øå!; ïîòîì èä¸ò PC88 è PC2X; è ÷óòü õóæå SP88X è PC1X. âîîáùåì SP2X îòëè÷íûé èíñòðóìåíò! (èìõî).. |
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Òåìà: Re: SP2 vs SP88X
Âðåìÿ: 05.09.2007 11:37 |
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rollland, âû óæå íà í¸ì èãðàëè? | |
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Òåìà: Re: SP2 vs SP88X
Âðåìÿ: 05.09.2007 12:38 |
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íåò, íî çíàþ çâóê(PC2X;ME1), ëîãè÷íî êëàâèàòóðà - fatar "TP-40*"(ïîõîæå êàê íà SL-880): http://www.fatar.com/Pages/TP_40_GH_ES.htm |
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Òåìà: Re: SP2 vs SP88X
Âðåìÿ: 05.09.2007 14:00 |
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Ïðîäîëæàþ èçó÷àòü èíñòðóêöèþ:) Íåìíîãî î òåìáðàõ, ìîæåò êîìó èíòåðåñíî áóäåò, èõ â èñòðóìåíòå 64, âîò îíè: 01 Stereo Grand 33 Williams Brass 02 Classic Grand 34 Synth Brass 03 Dynamic grand 35 Brass Section 04 Concert Grand 36 saxes X trumpets 05 Yearning 37 Indy lead 06 Piano for layers 38 Alazawi 07 Hard Rock Piano 39 Hybrid Pan 08 Rag Time Piano 40 Old lead 09 Studio Rhds 41 Scatman 10 Fagen Phaser 42 Bright Voices 11 Old Sly Rhds 43 Doo >< Daa 12 Dyno My E Pno 44 The Croons 13 Digital E Piano 45 Eurythm 14 FantAsmAtron 46 FLG Strings 15 90's FM Ballad 47 Solar Lead 16 Big Red Wurly 48 Attack Stack 17 Pipe 16'8,reed 49 Acoustic Guitar 18 Orgiano 50 Chorus Elec Gtr 19 Pipe Organ 51 Lead Rock Gtr 20 Ballad of 3 Bar 52 Jazzy Frets 21 Prog Rocker's B 53 Round and Wound 22 Clav Classic 54 Two Finger Bass 23 Dual Wah Clav 55 Slap Bass 24 Harpsichord 56 Upright Bass 25 Film String 57 Studio Drums 1+2 26 Touch Strings 58 Radio Kings/Rods 27 Fast Strings 59 Dirt/Triphop Kit 28 Octave Strings 60 Electro kit 29 Kupiter 61 Virtuoso Perc 30 Orch Pad 62 Rhythm Maker 31 U Say Tomita… 63 Dual Marimba 32 Spider's Web 64 Vibes Ñãðóïïèðîâàíû îíè òàê: Piano E.Piano Organ/Clavier String/Pads Brass/Lead Voices/Synths Gtr/Bass/Clav Drum/P erc  êàæäîé ãðóïïå ïî 8 ïðîãðàìì. Íà âñå ïðî âñå îòâåäåíî 32Ìá ÏÇÓ. Íå çíàþ, íå ìàëîâàòî ëè... |
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Òåìà: Re: SP2 vs SP88X
Âðåìÿ: 05.09.2007 15:42 |
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Óïññ! Ïîõîæå äâèæîê ôîðóìà íå ðàñïîçíàë òàáóëÿöèþ, è ïîëó÷èëàñü êàøà (äà, íå íàäî âñòàâëÿòü òåêñò èç ðåäàêòîðîâ)... Íà ñàéòå "Ìèð Ìóçûêè" ïîÿâèëñÿ ìàíóàë ê SP2X íà ðóññêîì, ññûëêà âîò: http://www.mirm.ru/instructions/kurzweil_sp2x.pdf | |
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Òåìà: Re: SP2 vs SP88X
Âðåìÿ: 05.09.2007 17:48 |
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PC3X, G2 Engine, Ti2, TR-Rack, JD-990
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>Íà âñå ïðî âñå îòâåäåíî 32Ìá ÏÇÓ. Íå çíàþ, íå ìàëîâàòî ëè... Íó äëÿ êóðöåâ ýòî ñêîðåå âåñüìà ìíîãî. Ó íèõ ñæàòèå î÷åíü õèòðîå. |
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Òåìà: Re: SP2 vs SP88X
Âðåìÿ: 05.09.2007 21:36 |
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À êàê íà ñ÷¸ò ïåäàëè â SP2X? Òîëüêî âêë-âûêë, èëè âñ¸-òàêè ïîÿâèëñÿ ðåæèì ïîëóïåäàëè? | |
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Òåìà: Re: SP2 vs SP88X
Âðåìÿ: 06.09.2007 04:25 |
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>- áîëüøå èç æåëåçíûõ(korg; GEM; kawai; alesis; casio; .. èòä.) - íîðìàëüíûõ ô-íî íåòó èìõî. ñîððè! ïðîïóñòèë åù¸ îäèí ñàìûé ëó÷øèé - çòî ô-íî(133ÌÁ) êîðãà OASYS!!! äîñòîéíûå GRAND PIANO(èç æåëåçà): * korg OASYS - ô-íî(133ÌÁ) * clavia nord stage88 - ô-íî(?ÌÁ) * yamaha S90ES\\motifXS8 - ô-íî(53ÌÁ) * roland RD700SX - ô-íî(64ÌÁ) * kurzweil PC2X - ô-íî(12ÌÁ?)\\PC88(4ÌÁ) |
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Òåìà: Re: SP2 vs SP88X
Âðåìÿ: 06.09.2007 04:36 |
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clavia nord stage88 - ô-íî(YAMAHA)36ÌÁ; è ô-íî(STEINWAY)34ÌÁ. | |
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Òåìà: Re: SP2 vs SP88X
Âðåìÿ: 06.09.2007 18:13 |
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Íà çàäíåé ïàíåëè èìååòñÿ äâà ãíåçäà: îäíî äëÿ ñâè÷-ïåäàëè, âðîäå ñóñòåéíà, è ãíåçäî äëÿ ïåäàëè íåïðåðûâíîé ðåãóëèðîâêè, òèïà ãðîìêîñòü/ýêñïðåññèÿ. Îäíàêî â êîìïëåêò ïîñòàâêè âõîäèò òîëüêî ïåäàëü "âêë/âûêë", ïðè÷åì êàêàÿ èìåííî - îáû÷íàÿ èëè ïèàíîîáðàçíàÿ íå íàïèñàíî... Ñêà÷àë ïåðåâîä, âðîäå ñäåëàíî íåïëîõî, äåòàëüíî ïîêà íå ñðàâíèâàë... |
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Òåìà: Re: SP2 vs SP88X
Âðåìÿ: 17.09.2007 21:43 |
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Ïîõîæå âñ¸-òàêè â êîìïëåêòå ïèàíîîáðàçíàÿ ñóñòåéí-ïåäàëü. Ïûòàëñÿ íàéòè óïîìèíàíèå îá 76-è êëàâ. âåðñèè íà áóðæóéñêèõ ñàéòàõ - íèôèãà, òåæå ðàçáðîä è øàòàíèå ñ íàçâàíèÿìè êàê è ó íàñ... Äà è ôîðóìàõ ïî÷òè íå îáñóæäàåòñÿ. Êàê-òî âñå ïðîèãíîðèðîâàëè âûõîä íîâîãî èíñà äàæå êóðöåïîêëîííèêè:) Õîòÿ ñìîòðåë îäèí òîïèê íà ÊîðãÔîðóìñ Is the Kurzweil PC3 a M3 Killer, âîò öèòàòà îòòóäà: Yeah, even Kurzweil's SP2X has amazing sounds - and plenty to cover a typical pop gig. All the sounds totally belie its very modest price, and the keybed feels great. Dead simple old-skool interface too. I like it a lot! http://www.kurzweilmusicsystems.com/products.html?Id=1864 I only find an SP2 (with no X) on Kurz' site. The one I played was an SP2X Õîòÿ ðåàëüíûõ îòçûâîâ, òåõ êòî ïðîáîâàë èãðàòü íà íåì, ïîêà ïî÷òè íåò.  ìîñêîâñêîì Ìèðå Ìóçûêè åãî óæå íåò, êàê è â ïèòåðñêîì. Ñåé÷àñ îí åñòü â îòäåëåíèÿõ Åêàòåðèíáóðãà, Íèæíåãî Íîâãîðîäà è Íîâîñèáèðñêà. Âîò òàêè äåëà... |
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Òåìà: Re: SP2 vs SP88X
Âðåìÿ: 18.09.2007 19:19 |
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Ñåãîäíÿ íåìíîãî ïîèãðàë íà SP2, è áûë ïîðàæ¸í åãî ... öåíîé, ÷òî-òî îêîëî 50.000!!! Íà ñ÷¸ò çâóêà- îí íà âûñîòå(êàê è â sp88), à âîò êëàâèàòóðà ïîíðàâèëàñü ìåíüøå. Äà, îíà êîíå÷íî ëó÷øå ÷åì â sp, íî ñêàæåì, äà Yamaha CP33 íå äîòÿãèâàåò. | |
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Òåìà: Re: SP2 vs SP88X
Âðåìÿ: 18.09.2007 20:52 |
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Íàêîíåö íàøåëñÿ ÷åëîâåê êîòîðûé åãî çàöåíèë æèâüåì. Îäíàêî, îíè ÷òî ñ äóáà óïàëè, îí æå 31000 íà Ñëàìè ñòîèò!.. ß ïûòàëñÿ óçíàâàòü äàëüíåéøóþ ñóäüáó êàê ÑÏ88Õ òàê è ÑÏ2Õ âîò ÷òî ìíå îòâåòèëè: http://forum.mirm.ru/lofiversion/index.php/t170.html Ïîýòîìó 50000 ìíîãîâàòî ÷åò. Çà ïîëòîñ åãî ïðîñòî íèêòî íå áóäåò ïîêóïàòü. Âñ¸-òàêè âåñ÷ü õî÷ü è õîðîøàÿ, íî íå âûñøèé êëàññ. ×òî êëàâà íå ñèëüíî êðóòàÿ ïîíÿòíî, ó Êóðöâàéëà åñòü ëèíåéêà ñîáñòâåííî öèôðîâûõ ïèàíî, êîòîðûå ñòîÿò â ðàçû äîðîæå, ÑÏ ñåðèÿ ýòî ñêîðåå îòíîñÿòñÿ ê ëèíåéêå èõ èñïîëíèòåëüñêèõ ñèíòîâ ê òåì æå ÐÑ è ÊÌÅ, òîëüêî íåñêîëüêî óïðîùåííûì è ñïåöèàëèçèðîâàííûì. À êàê âîîáùå êëàâà îñòàâèëà â öåëîì áëàãîïðèÿòíîå âïå÷àòëåíèå? Íå çàìåòèë îíà ïðîãðåññèâíàÿ èëè ðàâíîâçâåøåííàÿ? Íà ñ÷åò ñýìïëåðíîé ïàìÿòè ÿ â îáùåì-òî óñïîêîèëñÿ - â ÌÅ-1 è ÊÌ##1 16Ìá ïðè 256 çâóêàõ, à òóò 32Ìá ïðè 64, òàê ÷òî ñî çâó÷àíèåì äóìàþ äåéñòâèòåëüíî îñîáûõ ïðîáëåì íåò. |
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Òåìà: Re: SP2 vs SP88X
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Ñòàâðîïîëü
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Âîò åù¸ ññûëêà, íà ñòðàíèöó êîíöåðòíûõ ñèíòåçàòîðîâ: http://www.slami.ru/netcat/modules/catalog/GRP22406 À âîîáùå ïëîõî åñëè êóðöû ñèëüíî ïîæîïèëèñü íà õîðîøóþ ìåõàíèêó, ðèñêóþò ïîòåðÿòü êóñîê ðûíêà. Yamaha DGX-620 ñòîèò äåøåâøå, òåì íå ìåíåå ïðîãðåññèâíûé ìîëîòî÷êîâûé ìåõàíèçì, è âðîäå ïèøóò ëþäè íåïëîõîé. Ñî çâóêîì äóìàþ òàì ïîñëàáåé, íî âñ¸ ðàâíî æàëü ÷òî òîâàðèùè àâñòðèéöû ïîäðàññëàáèëèñü. È òàê âûøåë íîâûé èíñ è ïðàêòè÷åñêè íîëü ðåàêöèè â ñåòè íà äàííîå ñîáûòèå, íàâåðíîå âñå âûõîäà ÐÑ3 æäóò íå äîæäóòñÿ... ðàç óæå ïîøëè ðàçãîâîðû êòî êîãî óäåëàåò êóðö ÐÑ3 êîðæà Ì3 èëè íàîáîðîò, òåì áîëåå íà êîðãîâñêîì ôîðóìå:)) À âîò ññûëêà íà ýëåêòðîïèàíî, êñòàòè: http://www.slami.ru/netcat/modules/catalog/GRP22420 |
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Òåìà: Re: SP2 vs SP88X
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Kurzweil PC4//Roland FP30//Kurzweil PC3 LE6
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ß äóìàþ öåíà ÷åðåç ïàðó ìåñÿöåâ óïàä¸ò êàê ðàç äî îáåùàíûõ 30000, à ïîòîì íåìíîãî âûðàñòåò(ãäå-òî äî 36000). Ê ñîæàëåíèþ ïîêà ó ìåíÿ íåáûëî íè âðåìåíè íè âîçìîæíîñòè èçó÷èòü åãî êàê ñëåäóåò. |
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Òåìà: Re: SP2 vs SP88X
Âðåìÿ: 18.09.2007 21:23 |
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Kurzweil PC4//Roland FP30//Kurzweil PC3 LE6
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Äà, êñòàòè ìåõàíèêà òàêàÿ-æå êàê è ó Kurzweil PC1SE | |
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Òåìà: Re: SP2 vs SP88X
Âðåìÿ: 18.09.2007 22:10 |
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metro Kurzweil, Yamaha
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>Äà, êñòàòè ìåõàíèêà òàêàÿ-æå êàê è ó Kurzweil PC1SE âûõîäèò TP-30(êàê ó pc1x). ïî÷åìó òîãäà ïèøóò ÷òî hammer action? - íåâåðèòüñÿ!! .. ÿ ïðåäïîëîãàë - TP-40**(hammer!) âîáùèì íåâåðþþþþ |
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Òåìà: Re: SP2 vs SP88X
Âðåìÿ: 18.09.2007 22:43 |
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metro Kurzweil, Yamaha
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âîò äåìî ô-íî ME-1 = SP2X!!!: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srB8X7jIhH0 çâóê ô-íî ðåàëèñòè÷íûé ìÿãêèé(solo chammber-ñòóäèéíûé) íî î÷ äîñòîéíûé! òîëüêî ìóçûêàíò ñëàáûé .. |
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Òåìà: Re: SP2 vs SP88X
Âðåìÿ: 18.09.2007 23:03 |
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metro Kurzweil, Yamaha
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à âîò SP88X - ðîÿëü "êðèêóí"(ÌÎÍÎ è îäíîñëîéíûé): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-8KnP3gK84 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHlP59GghjI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3osEVvznNRo âîò íîðìàëüíûé "grand" çâóê(PC88X): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khV6fGIFRs0 |
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Òåìà: Re: SP2 vs SP88X
Âðåìÿ: 18.09.2007 23:36 |
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Kurzweil PC4//Roland FP30//Kurzweil PC3 LE6
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ß íå çíàþ ó êîãî òàì Hammer Action, ïðîñòî ðÿäîì ñòîÿë Kurzweil PC1SE, è ó íåãî êëàâà ïî îùóùåíèÿì òàêàÿ-æå. | |
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Òåìà: Re: SP2 vs SP88X
Âðåìÿ: 19.09.2007 00:58 |
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Ýòèõ ÒÐ40 öåëûõ òðè ñåìåéñòâà: TP/40H-M-L (95, 85 è 75 ãðàìì ñîîòâåòñòâåííî), TP/40-GH-ES (ïðîñòî 40-ÿ, ñ 4-õ çîííûì Graded Hammer Action è ñ òåì æå + Escapment Mechanical Touch Feeling) è TP/40WOOD (ñ äåðåâîì). Ïîñëåäíåå îòïàäàåò ñðàçó, äóìàþ îíà ñàìàÿ äîðîãàÿ. Ñêîðåå âñåãî ïîñòàâèëè TP/40M èëè L. Êñòàòè ÒÐ/30 ÿ íà ñàéòå Fatar íå íàøåë, ìîæåò óæå ñíÿëè ñ ïðîèçâîäñòâà?.. to MusicMan: Íó, à â ìàãàçèíå òî êàêîì ñìîòðåë? Ìîæåò ó íèõ íà öåííèêå îïå÷àòêà? Ïîïðîáóþ íà äíÿõ ÷åðåç íàøè ôèðìû ïðîáèòü, ÷òîá îíè ñâîèì ïîñòàâùèêàì çàïðîñ ïîñëàëè, ñêîëüêî ñòîèòü áóäåò. |
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Òåìà: Re: SP2 vs SP88X
Âðåìÿ: 19.09.2007 19:22 |
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Ñòàâðîïîëü
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Ïåðåïðîâåðèë öåíû: ó íàñ îí äîëæåò ñòîèòü íà çàêàç ãäå-òî 32000, â Ìîñêâå äîëæåí áûòü äàæå íåìíîãî äåøåâëå, ïîðÿäêà 30000-31000ô; õîòÿ íàäî ñêàçàòü â êàêîì-òî èíåò-ìàãàçèíå âèäåë ïðèìåðíî çà 40 ñ õåðîì, áàðûæíè÷àþò îäíàêî... | |
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Òåìà: Re: SP2 vs SP88X
Âðåìÿ: 19.09.2007 19:37 |
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San Diego, CA Keyz & Knobz 
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(ïðî êëàâó) > ïîòîì èä¸ò PC88 è PC2X; è ÷óòü õóæå SP88X... À íè÷åãî, ÷òî îíè òàì àáñîëþòíî îäèíàêîâûå? 
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Òåìà: Re: SP2 vs SP88X
Âðåìÿ: 19.09.2007 19:41 |
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metro Kurzweil, Yamaha
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>À íè÷åãî, ÷òî îíè òàì àáñîëþòíî îäèíàêîâûå? âñ¸ ïðàâèëüíî - SP88X è K2600X = PC2X! 
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Òåìà: Re: SP2 vs SP88X
Âðåìÿ: 19.09.2007 19:45 |
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>>Äà, êñòàòè ìåõàíèêà òàêàÿ-æå êàê è ó Kurzweil PC1SE > >âûõîäèò TP-30(êàê ó pc1x). ïî÷åìó òîãäà ïèøóò ÷òî hammer action? - íåâåðèòüñÿ!! .. ÿ ïðåäïîëîãàë - TP-40**(hammer!) >âîáùèì íåâåðþþþþ âûÿñíèëè, ó SP2X - ôàòàð TP-40L - òàê è çíàë! 
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Òåìà: Re: SP2 vs SP88X
Âðåìÿ: 19.09.2007 21:53 |
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Ñòàâðîïîëü
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Àãà, à ó SP88X - TP\\10MD(F èëè S íå çíàþ, íàâåðíîå âñ¸-òàêè F)... | |
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Òåìà: Re: SP2 vs SP88X
Âðåìÿ: 19.09.2007 22:14 |
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Ñòàâðîïîëü
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À ìîæåò ïðîñòî TP\\10MD, âîçìîæíî ðàíüøå áûëà âåðñèÿ áåç äîïîëíèòåëüíûõ áóêîâîê... Âîò öèòàòà èç ñòàòüè Ïèòåðà Äðåøåðà íà ñàéòå OnStage: http://onstagemag.com/ar/performance_kurzweil_spx/index.htm The SP88X, like all the company's keyboard synths, uses a Fatar TP10MD action — the same model used in the K2600XS and PC2X — but somehow it didn't feel quite as firm as the one in the K2600XS. I don't think I'm imagining the difference; I can only speculate that Kurzweil might have mounted the action differently in the K2600XS. I tend to like a firmer action, and I found the SP88X's decent but light for my taste. |
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Òåìà: Re: SP2 vs SP88X
Âðåìÿ: 19.09.2007 23:50 |
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Kurzweil PC4//Roland FP30//Kurzweil PC3 LE6
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Íàñ÷¸ò öåíû: å¸ òàì íåáûëî, ñòîèìîñòü ñêàçàë ïðîäàâýö. Âîçìîæíî îí âñ¸ ïåðåïóòàë, ñîááàêî! | |
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Òåìà: Re: SP2 vs SP88X
Âðåìÿ: 20.09.2007 16:32 |
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Ìîñêâà Kronos Main stage
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rubin, áðàòü èëè íåò çàâèñèò îò òîãî, ÷òî îò íåãî õî÷åøü ïîëó÷èòü. pc2 èëè pc1x çàìå÷àòåëåí êàê êîíöåðòíûé ñèíò-ìèäèêëàâà-çâóê ìîäóëü. Äîí Ýéðè èãðàåò íà òàêîì. À óæ îíè íå ñêóïÿòñÿ íà èíñòðóìåíòû. ñìûñëà íåò))) íî êàê stage piano ïèàíèñòà èëè ðàáî÷àÿ ñòàíöèÿ àðàíæèðîâùèêà êîíå÷íî íå ïîéäåò. Êàê ðàç íåäàâíî ïðîäàë pc1x ïîñëå íåñêîëüêèõ ìåñÿöåâ èãðû. À ÿ åãî ñåáå áðàë êàê ðàç êàê ñòåéäæ ïèàíî.  ëþáîì ñëó÷àå òàêîãî ñîîòí-ÿ öåíà-êà÷åñòâî íåò áîëüøå íè ó êîãî. |
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Òåìà: Re: SP2 vs SP88X
Âðåìÿ: 20.09.2007 20:51 |
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Ñòàâðîïîëü
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Äà íå äî æèðó ìíå:)) Êàêîé óæ òàì ïèàíèñò è àðàíæèðîâùèê... Ñîáñòâåííî ïåðâîíà÷àëüíî äóìàë áðàòü ÊÌ##1 è åñëè áû èãðàòü óìåë, è èãðàë ñêàæåì â ðîê ãðóïïå êàêîé òî åãî áû è âçÿë. Íî ïîòîì ïîðàçìûñëèâ ðåøèë ÷òî ïîñêîëüêî ÿ èãðàòü íà êëàâèøàõ íå óìåþ âîîáùå è äóìàþ áðàòü óðîêè, òî ó÷èòüñÿ èãðàòü ëó÷øå íà ÷åì-òî áîëåå ïèàíîîáðàçíîì. È îïÿòü òàêè ñîîòíîøåíèå öåíà/êà÷åñòâî, õî÷åòñÿ äîñòàòî÷íî ïðèëè÷íûé èíñ çà ðàçóìíûå äåíüãè. Ïîýòîìó ðåøèë îñòàíîâèòüñÿ íà SP88X, î íåì âåñüìà áëàãîïðèÿòíûå îòçûâû, à ïîñëå ïîÿâëåíèÿ SP2X ñòàë è ê íåìó ïðèñìàòðèâàòüñÿ, òàê êàê ðàçíèöà â öåíå ìèçåðíàÿ, à âîçìîæíîñòè çíà÷èòåëüíî øèðå.  êîíöå-êîíöîâ åñëè î÷åíü çàõî÷åòñÿ çâóêà 88-ãî è ïîÿâÿòñÿ ëèøíèå äåíüãè ìîæíî áóäåò á/ó ìîäóëü MicroPiano êóïèòü... | |
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Òåìà: Re: SP2 vs SP88X
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Ñòàâðîïîëü
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Ðàáî÷èå ñòàíöèè ïîêà êàê-òî îñîáî íå çàöåïèëè (õîòÿ íàäî ñêàçàòü ñòàòüÿ ïðî K2600XS è VAST âåñüìà ëþáîïûòíà), ÿ â ïåðâóþ î÷åðåäü èñïîëíèòåëüñêèìè ñèíòàìè èíòåðåñóþñü. À ïðîôåññèîíàëüíûì ïèàíèñòàì ëó÷øåå stage piano íàâåðíîå ýòî ñàìî stage piano, àêóñòè÷åñêîå... Ñëûøàë Ìèøåëü Ëåãðàí âîîáùå ýëåêòðîíùèíó íå æàëóåò:), áûë êàê-òî ñëó÷àé âî âðåìÿ åãî êîíöåðòà â íàøåé ñòðàíå. À ÿ âîò, õîòü ýòî ìîæåò è ãëóïî êîíå÷íî, âñÿêóþ ýëåêòðèêó ïî÷åìó-òî ëþáëþ áîëüøå æèâûõ èíñòðóìåíòîâ, íó ìîæåò çà èñêëþ÷åíèåì ô-íî. | |
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Òåìà: Re: SP2 vs SP88X
Âðåìÿ: 28.09.2007 08:08 |
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Ñòàâðîïîëü
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Íàêîíåö-òî íà ñàéòå Êóðöâàéëà èñïðàâèëè íàçâàíèå èíñòðóìåíòà íà SP2X. | |
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Òåìà: Re: SP2 vs SP88X
Âðåìÿ: 28.09.2007 15:44 |
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clavia nord stage88 - ô-íî(68ÌÁ)ßìàõîâñêîå | |
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