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äëÿ ñîìíåâàþùèõñÿ ÷òî ñõåìà ñ äèëåì èìåëà ìåñòî áûòü ïðè íàðåçêå ìàñòåðäèñêà , âîò òóò àíãëîÿçû÷íûå òîæå ñîìíåâàþòñÿ https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/when-was-th e-digital-delay-in-record-cutting-first-introduced .266485/ It would be a good idea to explain why the digital delay line is commonly used in vinyl cutting these days: But first, a disclaimer: Although I have about 15 years experience as a mastering engineer, I have never cut vinyl. My knowledge of the process is very much second hand. With that said, I will do my best. Please feel free to add any corrections, if necessary. So... When a master lacquer is cut, the engineer must do the entire LP side at once, without stopping. If (when) a mistake is made with levels, EQ, etc, the lacquer is discarded, and the engineer starts over with a new blank. This gets expensive. It is necessary for the engineer to monitor the program before it is cut, so that changes in level and EQ can be anticipated and adjusted for in time. However, the cutting stylus itself cannot be used for monitoring, as this signal is too late in the chain. (sound has already been recorded on the lacquer before it can be played back. Too late for the engineer to make any changes.) Therefore, it is necessary to have some kind of "early playback" so that the engineer can make changes in time. In the past, custom analog mastering decks had a "preview head" mounted in the tape path, usually on the left side of the deck plate, near the supply reel. The tape path was modified with extra rollers and guides so that the tape would pass over the preview head (one second or so) before it got to the "normal" playback head for cutting. Quite a complex system to allow the engineer to monitor the signal before making the cut. Keep in mind that a "normal" pro half-track deck may cost between 10 and 15 grand. Now add the cost of the custom mods and the preview head. Add in the popularity of 30 ips mastering, which complicates the tape path further, in order to get enough delay time between the preview and playback heads. Add in the rise of digital technology, and it wasn't long before some bright soul found an easier way to delay the signal, before sending it to the cutting stylus. I would guess that the use of a digital delay line in cutting vinyl was common by the mid-1990s, as vinyl became a small-market niche product, and boutique labels no longer had access to custom mastering decks and other tools of the major-label process. To the best of my knowledge, |
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è äàæå ïàòåíò íà ýòó ñèñòåìó https://patents.google.com/patent/US4348754 😅 Digital delay for high quality audio use Abstract A disk mastering preview system utilizes an original audio signal from an audio source for previewing signals to be recorded by a disk lathe. Inventor David L. Haynes John M. Brennan Current Assignee Ampex Corp |
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>>Îïåðåæàþùèé ñèãíàë ñ îòäåëüíîé ãîëîâêè èñïîëüçîâàëñÿ äëÿ óïðàâëåíèÿ øàãîì íàðåçêè Âñå ÿ ÷èòàþ . Âû òîæå ïî÷èòàéòå. åñëè áûë ñîîòâåòñâóþùèé ìàãíèòîôîí òî äà ñíèìàëè îïåðåæàþùåé ãîëîâêîé. Íî âïîñëåäñòâèè ïåðåñòàëè. Ïðî ÷òî îáñóæäåíèÿ â èíîñòðàííûõ èíòåðíåòàõ èìåþòñÿ. Keep in mind that a "normal" pro half-track deck may cost between 10 and 15 grand. Now add the cost of the custom mods and the preview head. Add in the popularity of 30 ips mastering, which complicates the tape path further, in order to get enough delay time between the preview and playback heads. Add in the rise of digital technology, and it wasn't long before some bright soul found an easier way to delay the signal, before sending it to the cutting stylus. |
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>ïðîäàêøåí êîíå÷íî íå î÷åíü, ÷òî-òî òèïà ÑÃ, íî è ìóçûêàëüíûå èäåéêè åñòü èíòåðåñíûå, ïåðåõîäû, áðèäæè ñîëÿêè, ñëóøàòü íå ñêó÷íî)) >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efRliMSi3XY >äà, êàôåè÷? Íó íå ïðîâàëüíûé òðåê. Îäíîçíà÷íî. Ìíå ñëîæíî îöåíèâàòü, òàê êàê àáñîëþòíî âñ¸ áðîñèëî, öå#####. Ñâîé òðåê íà òðè äíÿ èëè íåäåëþ. Äàëüøå íååå... À òóò ïîäçàòÿíó òî. Äèíàìèêà òðåêà ê êîíöó óïàëà. Ýòî êàê ôèëüì. Òàì òîæå òîæå èäåò â õîðîøåì ôèëüìå äèíàìèêà ñöåí. Íàðàñòàíèå ðàññëàáëåíèå, íàðàñòàíèå ðàññëàáëåíèå. Ïî ýòîé ñõåìå ñòðîèòñÿ âñ¸. Âåçäå è â ìóçûêå è â êèíî. Íî íå ïðîâàëüíûé òðåêà.. Îáû÷íûé ñðåäíèé.. Òðå÷îê |
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Ïîìíþ âðåìåíà êîãäà Peratronika ñòîèëà 2000 ð., 1176 - 45, LA2A-60, Neve Marinar - 80,ìåäèàòîð 50 êîï., Fender 30, ÿïîøêà 15, Aphex Dominator 15 ê)
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>Ïîõîæå ó÷èòåëü, êîòîðûé/êîòîðàÿ ïîñòàâèë/ïîñòàâèëà 4-êó çà ýòîò øåäåâð, ñàì/ñàìà èç ïîêîëåíèÿ 90-õ. Äà ïðîñòî ïîòîìó ÷òî áîëüøå íè÷åãî è íå ñäåëàåøü.. îíà ýòî ïîíèìàåò.. êàê è ÞÈ) |
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>äëÿ ñîìíåâàþùèõñÿ ÷òî ñõåìà ñ äèëåì èìåëà ìåñòî áûòü ïðè íàðåçêå ìàñòåðäèñêà , âîò òóò àíãëîÿçû÷íûå òîæå ñîìíåâàþòñÿ Äà íèêòî íå ñïîðèò, ÷òî íåêîòîðûå óìíèêè öåëüþ ýêîíîìèè( à çàïàäíûå òîâàðèùè î÷åíü ýêîíîìíâûå) ìîãëè òàê äåëàòü, à èíæåíåðû äàæå è ïàòåíò ïîëó÷èëè ! Íà çàðå ìîäû íà öèôðó ìíîãèå è ìóçûêàíòû, è èíæåíåðû ðàäîâàëèñü äîñòóïíîñòè è âîçìîæíîñòÿì ìîíòàæà, çàáûâàÿ ïðî çâóê:-) Âñå ïðîôè æóðíàëû áûëè çàáèòû ôîòîãðàôèÿìè ðýêîâ íàáèòûõ adat ìàôîíàìè - 120 òðåêîâ ÷èñòåéøåãî öèôðîâîãî çâóêà ! ß â ýòî âðåìÿ îáùàëñÿ ñ îäíèì òîâàðèùåì èç àìåðèêè, è îí ðàññêàçûâàë, ÷òî ó åãî êîìàíäû ñ÷àñòüå íàñòóïèëî, îíè íàêóïèëè êó÷ó àäàòîâ è áàëäåþò îò îòñóòñòâèÿ øóìà ! Ïðàâäà êîãäà äåëî äî ìèêñà äîøëî, îí ñîîáùèë, ÷òî îíè äàæå íîðìàëüíûé áàëàíñ ãèòàð ñäåëàòü íå ìîãóò, ìàñêèðîâêà, ïàíèìàèøü ! Ïðèøëîñü èäòè íà íîðìàëüíóþ àíàëîãîâóþ ñòóäèþ, âñ¸ ïåðåïèñûàòü:-) |
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https://youtu.be/ceN5ORHHH70 Âîò èç ïîñëåäíåãî ÷òî öåïàíóëî. Èèïîôèã íà çâóê, äàæå åñòü êàêîé òî øàðì.. |
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Ïîìíþ âðåìåíà êîãäà Peratronika ñòîèëà 2000 ð., 1176 - 45, LA2A-60, Neve Marinar - 80,ìåäèàòîð 50 êîï., Fender 30, ÿïîøêà 15, Aphex Dominator 15 ê)
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>>äëÿ ñîìíåâàþùèõñÿ ÷òî ñõåìà ñ äèëåì èìåëà ìåñòî áûòü ïðè íàðåçêå ìàñòåðäèñêà , âîò òóò àíãëîÿçû÷íûå òîæå ñîìíåâàþòñÿ >Äà íèêòî íå ñïîðèò, ÷òî íåêîòîðûå óìíèêè öåëüþ ýêîíîìèè( à çàïàäíûå òîâàðèùè î÷åíü ýêîíîìíâûå) ìîãëè òàê äåëàòü, à èíæåíåðû äàæå è ïàòåíò ïîëó÷èëè ! >Íà çàðå ìîäû íà öèôðó ìíîãèå è ìóçûêàíòû, è èíæåíåðû ðàäîâàëèñü äîñòóïíîñòè è âîçìîæíîñòÿì ìîíòàæà, çàáûâàÿ ïðî çâóê:-) Âñå ïðîôè æóðíàëû áûëè çàáèòû ôîòîãðàôèÿìè ðýêîâ íàáèòûõ adat ìàôîíàìè - 120 òðåêîâ ÷èñòåéøåãî öèôðîâîãî çâóêà ! >ß â ýòî âðåìÿ îáùàëñÿ ñ îäíèì òîâàðèùåì èç àìåðèêè, è îí ðàññêàçûâàë, ÷òî ó åãî êîìàíäû ñ÷àñòüå íàñòóïèëî, îíè íàêóïèëè êó÷ó àäàòîâ è áàëäåþò îò îòñóòñòâèÿ øóìà ! Ïðàâäà êîãäà äåëî äî ìèêñà äîøëî, îí ñîîáùèë, ÷òî îíè äàæå íîðìàëüíûé áàëàíñ ãèòàð ñäåëàòü íå ìîãóò, ìàñêèðîâêà, ïàíèìàèøü ! Ïðèøëîñü èäòè íà íîðìàëüíóþ àíàëîãîâóþ ñòóäèþ, âñ¸ ïåðåïèñûàòü:-) èìåÿ àäàò 3 øòóêè 24 òðåêà ýòî áûëà ïðîñòî ñóïåð êðóòîñòü ñåé÷àñ ëþäÿì èåþùèì 100500 òðåêîâ â êîìïå í åïîíÿòÚ òàê ñàìîå îáèäíîå ñèäèøü êðóòèøü ýòè çàïèñàííûå ãèòàðû íåäåëÿìè âîîáùå íè õåðà íå ñâîèäèòñÿ è òóò íà÷èíàåøü ìå÷òàòü î øòóäåðå.... íî ýòî åñëè êîíå÷íî ñëóõ åñòü  
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Øòóäåðû, ìóäåðû, ëåíòû, êóåíòû...  Äðåâíèå êàêèå-òî òåõíèêè, ñîâåòñêèå..îòæèâøèå è òîðìîçíûå, íåñîîòâåòñòâóþùèå âðåìåíè.  UK, â ñòóäèÿõ, âñ¸ "æèâÿêîì" àíàëîãîâîå èñïîëíåííîå, äàâíûì äàâíî â DAW íåùàäíî ðåæåòñÿ íà ìåëêèå ôðàãìåíòû. Òóñóåòñÿ â DAW ìåñòàìè, òþíèòñÿ è óêðàøàåòñÿ âñÿêîðàçíûìè ïëàãèíàìè, ñèíõðîíèçèðóåòñÿ tempo mapping òåõíèêàìè... Âñÿ ôèíàëüíàÿ audio/midi "ïðîäóêöèÿ, ðàäóåò çàêàç÷èêà êàðòèíêîé â ýêðàíå êîìïà. è çâóêîì èç ñòóäèéíûõ ìîíèòîðîâ. Àíàëîã ýòî èëè öèôðà? åïò..çàáàðàëè çàóìîì ïîñòñîâåòñêèå îðòîäîêñû Âñ¸ â ýòîì ìèðå àíàëîãîâî..óøè íàøè àíàëîãîâûå, è äèíàìèêè çâóê âîñïðîèçâîäÿùèå òîæå. Íàâñåãäà. |
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÷òî êà÷åñòâåííûé öèôðîâîé çâóê îò êà÷åñòâåííîãî àíàëîãîâî îòëè÷èòü ñìîãëè íå ñïåöèàëèñòû, à òîëüêî îñöèëëîãðàô..) |
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÷òî êà÷åñòâåííûé öèôðîâîé çâóê îò êà÷åñòâåííîãî àíàëîãîâî îòëè÷èòü ñìîãëè íå ñïåöèàëèñòû, à òîëüêî îñöèëëîãðàô..)
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>https://youtu.be/ceN5ORHHH70 >Âîò èç ïîñëåäíåãî ÷òî öåïàíóëî. Èèïîôèã íà çâóê, äàæå åñòü êàêîé òî øàðì.. Ñòóïèí î÷åíü êðóòîé ÷óâàê áûë. Íàòêíóëñÿ íà íåãî åù¸ êîãäà îí áûë æèâ, ñëó÷àéíî. È ïîäñåë. Çâóê òàì ñëàáûé, íî ìàòåðèàë õîðîøèé. Íåñëîæíûé, íî íå áàíàëüíûé. |
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Ó ñåãîäíÿøíûõ ìóçûêàíòîâ âñåãî 3 îøèáêè.
1. Îíè äóìàþò, ÷òî êàê òîëüêî êóïÿò Neve..... 2. Îíè óâåðåíû, ÷òî ñäåëàþò âñåõ è íà Behringer 3. Ýòî åäèíñòâåííîå, ÷òî èì íå õâàòàåò. (ñ) ÞÈ |
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>ýòî ôèãíÿ, ãäå-íèòü â Çàìáèè íàâåðíÿêà òàêèå æå ñïîðû èäóò 🤣 Äà íåò. Òîëüêî â Ðîññèè. Ïîòîìó è çâóêà ìèðîâîãî êà÷åñòâà íåò. Î ñàìîì ìóçûêàëüíîì ìàòåðèàëå (æîïà ïîëíàÿ) ëó÷øå íå ãîâîðèòü. Íè íîâûõ ãàðìîíè÷åñêèõ òåõíèê, íè êðóïíûõ ôîðì.  ìèíîðå ðîññèéñêîì ñïëîøíàÿ öûãàíî÷êà, à â ìàæîðå ÷àñòóøêà. Íó è ëåíòà..)) Ìîæåò è ïîÿâèòñÿ êà÷åñòâî, íî òîëüêî òîãäà, êîãäà ñòóäèéíûå îðòîäîêñû âûìðóò. |
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Ïðè ìíîãîêðàòíîì òåñòå àíàëîã vs öèôða îêàçàëîñü,
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>Âñå ÿ ÷èòàþ . Âû òîæå ïî÷èòàéòå. -- Âû ýòî ÌÍÅ ??? Íó-íó.... Íàïðÿæåíèå - âû, âèäèìî, ìåðÿåòå íàïðÿæîìåòðîì? 
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>-- Âû ýòî ÌÍÅ ??? À âû êàêàÿ-òî îñîáàÿ ïèñüêà, ïîëüçîâàòåëü Long, ? ×òî-òî òóò íè÷åãî ïîëåçíîãî îò âàñ âñå åùå íåâîçìîæíî ïðî÷èòàòü. >Íàïðÿæåíèå - âû, âèäèìî, ìåðÿåòå íàïðÿæîìåòðîì? õç. ÿ âîëüòìåòðîì. |
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>âñ¸ "æèâÿêîì" àíàëîãîâîå èñïîëíåííîå, äàâíûì äàâíî â DAW íåùàäíî ðåæåòñÿ íà ìåëêèå ôðàãìåíòû. >Òóñóåòñÿ â DAW ìåñòàìè, òþíèòñÿ è óêðàøàåòñÿ âñÿêîðàçíûìè ïëàãèíàìè, ñèíõðîíèçèðóåòñÿ tempo mapping òåõíèêàìè... Ïîýòîìó íîðìàëüíîãî æèâÿêà è íåò, îäèí ïëàñòèêîâûé öèôðîâîé êèðïè÷. >Ïîòîìó è çâóêà ìèðîâîãî êà÷åñòâà íåò. Åñòü, íî çîìáèðîâàííûå öèôðîé åãî íå ñëûøàò. |
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>Åñòü, íî çîìáèðîâàííûå öèôðîé åãî íå ñëûøàò. à êòî îíè? ãäå âû ñ íèìè çíàêîìèòåñü? |
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>Øòóäåðû, ìóäåðû, ëåíòû, êóåíòû... >Äðåâíèå êàêèå-òî òåõíèêè, ñîâåòñêèå..îòæèâøèå è òîðìîçíûå, íåñîîòâåòñòâóþùèå âðåìåíè. > UK, â ñòóäèÿõ, âñ¸ "æèâÿêîì" àíàëîãîâîå èñïîëíåííîå, äàâíûì äàâíî â DAW íåùàäíî ðåæåòñÿ íà ìåëêèå ôðàãìåíòû. >Òóñóåòñÿ â DAW ìåñòàìè, òþíèòñÿ è óêðàøàåòñÿ Óêðàøàåòñÿ, îñíîâà ïîëó÷åííàÿ èç àíàëîãîâîãî ïðåàìïà, è àíàëîãîâîé êîìïðåñèè. Ïîòîì âåøàé ÷òî õî÷åøü êîãäà îñíîâà åñòü. |
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Âîò ñêîëüêî ìîæíî îá îäíîì è òîì æå ? Àíàëîãîâàÿ ñóùíîñòü ñîõðàíÿåòñÿ äàæå â ìï3. Ýòî óäèâèòåëüíî, íî ôàêò. ÿ æ òóò âûêëàäûâàë äâå çàïèñè Dream Theatra, íåóæåëè ðàçíèöà íå ñëûøíà??? Òî æå ñàìîå áûëî ñ Nickelback , êîãäà îíè âûïóñòèëè àëüáîì çàïèñàííûé â Ïðîòóëñ:-( |
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>Âîò ñêîëüêî ìîæíî îá îäíîì è òîì æå ? >Àíàëîãîâàÿ ñóùíîñòü ñîõðàíÿåòñÿ äàæå â ìï3. Ýòî óäèâèòåëüíî, íî ôàêò. íó, ñëàâà Òåáå, Ãîñïàäè! Ýòó èíäèâèäóàëüíóþ äóøó íåëüçÿ ðàçáèòü íà êóñêè, ðàñòâîðèòü, ñæå÷ü èëè èññóøèòü. Íåèçìåííàÿ, íåïîäâèæíàÿ è âå÷íàÿ, îíà ïðåáûâàåò ïîâñþäó è âñåãäà ñîõðàíÿåò ñâîè ñâîéñòâà. Áõàãàâàä-ãèòà 2.24 |
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À òåì âðåìåíåì: http://www.chaskor.ru/article/muzyka_v_tsifre_44088 Áåç öèôðû íèêàê...
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Ïðè ìíîãîêðàòíîì òåñòå àíàëîã vs öèôða îêàçàëîñü,
÷òî êà÷åñòâåííûé öèôðîâîé çâóê îò êà÷åñòâåííîãî àíàëîãîâî îòëè÷èòü ñìîãëè íå ñïåöèàëèñòû, à òîëüêî îñöèëëîãðàô..) |
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>Áåç öèôðû íèêàê îñîáåííî â ìîçãàõ:-) >http://www.chaskor.ru/article/muzyka_v_tsifre_440 88 Âîò çà÷åì çäåñü ýòè ïèîíåðñêèå ñòàòåéêè îò äèëåòàíòîâ? ".... ÷òî åùå ïå÷àëüíåå, âðåìÿ: íàïðèìåð, âèíèëîâûå ïëàñòèíêè, êàññåòû, ïëåíêè ñ òå÷åíèåì âðåìåíè óñòàðåâàþò, è êà÷åñòâî çâóêà óõóäøàåòñÿ. Öèôðîâîé íîñèòåëü ãàðàíòèðóåò íàäåæíîå ñîõðàíåíèå çâóêà. Âèíèë õðàíèòñÿ åñëè íå çàïèëèâàòü âå÷íî. Ëåíòû ñîõðàíÿþò êà÷åñòâî, åñëè õðàíèòü ïðàâèëüíî - 50-70 ëåò. Ó ìåíÿ ìîè çàïèñè íà ëåíòå 71-ãîäà, â îòëè÷íîì ñîñòîÿíèè. Öèôðîâûå íîñèòåëè íåïðåðûâíî òåðÿþò èíôîðìàöèþ, ïîýòîìó èõ ïîñòîÿííî ïåðåïèñûâàþò ìèíèìóì ðàç â 2 ãîäà. "...Ñóùåñòâóåò òðè âàðèàíòà îöèôðîâêè âèíèëîâûõ ïëàñòèíîê" Äîëãî ñìåÿëñÿ. Ýòîò îðãàíèçì ñ æåíñêèì èìåíåì è èíòåëëåêòîì ÿâíî ïåðåïóòàë ôîðóìû ! Çäåñü Ñòóäèéíûé çâóê, à íå òèê-òîê äëÿ íà÷èíàþùèõ... |
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Öèôðà - 2021 ãîä. https://youtu.be/K3lZHgFlctM Õîòÿ â èíòåðíåòå, ïîëíî ðîëèêîâ öèôðîâîé ýìóëÿöèè, äà òîé æå ýëåêòðîãèòàðû, öèôðîâèêè â óïîð íå ñëûøàò - ÷òî îíà, ýòà ýìóëÿöèÿ -;íèêàêàÿ) ø¸ë 21 âåê, íà Ìóçèêôîðóìå , â ñòóäèéíîì ðàçäåëå ïðîôåññèîíàëüíûå ñëóõà÷è öèôðû, óâåðåííî çàÿâëÿëè, ÷òî öèôðà ïîáåäèëà) íó íå ...ëè? Ðîëèê âûøå ãëÿíüòå, öèòàòà" ñ : ".... " Ñ. Ëàâðîâ |
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5$MIX, îò âàñ - ïîëåçíîãî âîîáùå àáñîëþòíûé íîëü. Óâû!  Îäíè ëèøü òóïåéøèå ãëóïîñòè ñ òîííàìè àïëîìáà. Íà ïóñòîì ìåñòå.
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5$MIX, ñïàñèáî çà íàãëÿäíûé ïðèìåð ïàðàëëåëüíîé êîìïðåññèè 
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à ãîëîâû áåç ñòåêà èçäàþò çâóê? à òî ïðî âîêñ íàïèñíî, ÷òî ýòî óíèâåðñàëüíûé 15âò óñèëèòåëü. òàê ãäå òàì äèíàìèêè? ïî áîêàì ìàëåíüêèå ÷òî ëÿ?
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>5$MIX, îò âàñ - ïîëåçíîãî âîîáùå àáñîëþòíûé íîëü. Óâû! ïîðæàë ñïàñèáî 🤣 |
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>Ëåíòû ñîõðàíÿþò êà÷åñòâî, åñëè õðàíèòü ïðàâèëüíî - 50-70 ëåò. >Ó ìåíÿ ìîè çàïèñè íà ëåíòå 71-ãîäà, â îòëè÷íîì ñîñòîÿíèè. >Öèôðîâûå íîñèòåëè íåïðåðûâíî òåðÿþò èíôîðìàöèþ, ïîýòîìó èõ ïîñòîÿííî ïåðåïèñûâàþò ìèíèìóì ðàç â 2 ãîäà. òàê âû õðàíèòå êà÷åñòâî èëè èíôîðìàöèþ? Åñëè âû èíôîðìàöèþ çàïèøèòå íà ëåíòó, åñòü øàíñ ÷òî îíà òàê æå äåãðàäèðóåò . Òàê ÷òî ïðèìåð íå ñîâñåì óäà÷íûé. |
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>>Ëåíòû ñîõðàíÿþò êà÷åñòâî, åñëè õðàíèòü ïðàâèëüíî - 50-70 ëåò. >>Ó ìåíÿ ìîè çàïèñè íà ëåíòå 71-ãîäà, â îòëè÷íîì ñîñòîÿíèè. >>Öèôðîâûå íîñèòåëè íåïðåðûâíî òåðÿþò èíôîðìàöèþ, ïîýòîìó èõ ïîñòîÿííî ïåðåïèñûâàþò ìèíèìóì ðàç â 2 ãîäà. >òàê âû õðàíèòå êà÷åñòâî èëè èíôîðìàöèþ? Åñëè âû èíôîðìàöèþ çàïèøèòå íà ëåíòó, åñòü øàíñ ÷òî îíà òàê æå äåãðàäèðóåò . Òàê ÷òî ïðèìåð íå ñîâñåì óäà÷íûé. äåëî äàæå íå â ýòîì, à â òîì, ÷òî êðîìå Þðèÿ Èâàíîâè÷à èõ íè êòî íå óñëûøèò ÷òî áû èìè ïîäåëèòüñÿ, èõ âñå ðàâíî ïðèäåòñÿ â öèôðîâîé ôîðìàò ïåðåâåñòè, â ýòîì îñíîâíîé ìèíóñ àíàëîãà... êàê ñ òåì ñóñëèêîì, âèäèøü ñóñëèêà? à îí ó ÞÈ åñòü!
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Ñóòü ïðîñòàÿ, åñëè ñåáÿ íå îáìàíûâàåøü, òî õîòü íà òåòðèñå äåëîé, ëèøü áû äîâîëåí áûë À åñëè íà÷èíàåò ÷òî òî êàçàòüñÿ, òî ýòî, êàê ïîêàçûâàåò ïðàêòèêà, íè ðàçó íå êàæåòñÿ  òóò è íà÷èíàþòñÿ âñå ñëîæíîñòè
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êñòàòè, ÀÀÑ áîëåå êà÷åñòâåííûé êîäàê äëÿ ìóçûêè ÷åì ìï3, êàê âû ñ÷èòàåòå? | |
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>êñòàòè, ÀÀÑ áîëåå êà÷åñòâåííûé êîäàê äëÿ ìóçûêè ÷åì ìï3, êàê âû ñ÷èòàåòå? AAC êîíå÷íî. Íå çðÿæ AppleMusic âñå â íåãî êîäèðóåò. Audio quality While their sound capabilities don't vary considerably, AAC has the upper hand at lower bit rates. If you're working with bit rates lower than 128 kbps, you'll notice the difference. MP3 files will sound a little muddy and slurry while the AAC files maintain their brighter and clearer sound. The AAC format leverages its optimal transform window sizes and pure MDCT to beat MP3 at these bit rates. While MP3 has sample frequencies ranging from 16 kHz to 48 kHz, AAC's sample frequencies range between 8 kHz to 96 kHz. With more sample frequencies, AAC developers can accurately reproduce the original files as they decrypt audio files. With higher bit rates (192 kbps and above), the focus shifts from the audio format to the encoder. MP3 competes favorably and is surprisingly robust if you work with an efficient encoder. At high enough bit-rates, you'll hardly notice the difference between these formats and the original files. |
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