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Òåìà: Ïîìîãèòå îïðåäåëèòü ìåòð è ðàçìåð ïðîèçâåäåíèÿ.
Âðåìÿ: 11.07.2017 13:13 
Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
Ôîðòåïèàíî, ãèòàðà, âîêàë, ðàçâèòèå ÀÑ è ÎÑ

Çäðàâñòâóéòå. Åñòü êîìïîçèöèÿ Son ar Christr https://vk.com/video?z=video447816_456239212/pl_ca t_u..
Ó ìåíÿ äâà âîïðîñà:
1. Ìåòð. Íå ìîãó ïðàâèëüíî îïðåäåëèòü ìåòð: èíîé ðàç êàæåòñÿ, ÷òî âåçäå ìåòð 6, íî ñáèâàåò ñ òîëêó ðèòìè÷åñêèé ðèñóíîê ñ àêöåíòàìè íà ñëàáûõ äîëÿõ, èç-çà ÷åãî âîçíèêàåò îùóùåíèå, ÷òî òàì íå ïîñòîÿííûé ìåòð 6, à ïåðåìåííûé ìåòð: 4->2->3->3->4->2->3->3->3->3->4->2->3->3->3->3->4- >2->3->3.
Íà÷èíàÿ ñ 11 ñåêóíäû ïåðâîå ïðåäëîæåíèå ïî òàêòàì (ãèòàðà):
00:11-00:13 - 4
00:13-00:13 - 2
00:13-00:15 - 3
00:15-00:16 - 3
Ñóììàðíî ïîëó÷èëîñü 12 äîëåé.
Äàëåå ïîâòîð ïåðâîãî ïðåäëîæåíèÿ (ãèòàðà + âîëûíêà):
00:16-00:19 - 4
00:19-00:19 - 2
00:19-00:21 - 3
00:21-00:22 - 3
Çàòåì âòîðîå ïðåäëîæåíèå (ãèòàðà + âîëûíêà):
00:22-00:24 - 3
00:24-00:25 - 3
00:25-00:27 - 4
00:27-00:27 - 2
00:27-00:29 - 3
00:29-00:30 - 3
Ñóììàðíî ïîëó÷èëîñü 18 äîëåé.
Äàëåå ïîâòîð âòîðîãî ïðåäëîæåíèÿ (ãèòàðà + âîëûíêà):
00:30-00:32 - 3
00:32-00:33 - 3
00:33-00:35 - 4
00:35-00:35 - 2
00:35-00:37 - 3
00:37-00:38 - 3
Äàëåå íà÷èíàåòñÿ âîêàë.
 îáùåì, ðåçþìèðóþ âîïðîñ. Êàêîé èç âàðèàíòîâ ìåòðà ïðàâèëüíûé:
1) ïîñòîÿííûé ìåòð: 6 (3+3);
2) ïåðåìåííûé ìåòð: 4 (2+2), 2, 3, 3, 4 (2+2), 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4 (2+2), 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4 (2+2), 2, 3, 3;
3) ïåðåìåííûé ìåòð: 4 (2+2), 2, 6 (3+3), 4 (2+2), 2, 6 (3+3), 6 (3+3), 4 (2+2), 2, 6 (3+3), 6 (3+3), 4 (2+2), 2, 6 (3+3)?

2. Ðàçìåð. Êàêîé äëèòåëüíîñòüþ ïðàâèëüíî áóäåò îáîçíà÷èòü ìåòðè÷åñêóþ äîëþ â äàííîé ïðîèçâåäåíèè? ß ðàññìàòðèâàþ ñðåäè âàðèàíòîâ: 4, 8 è 16. Ñ îäíîé ñòîðîíû, â ìóçûêàëüíîé øêîëå ó÷èëè, ÷òî ïî óìîë÷àíèþ ìîæíî ñ÷èòàòü, ÷òî 4. Ñ äðóãîé ñòîðîíû, òåìï è ë¸ãêîñòü èñïîëíåíèÿ çàñòàâëÿþò ñêëîíÿòüñÿ â ñòîðîíó 8 èëè 16, à âåðîÿòíåå âñåãî ê 8. Òîãäà ïîëó÷àþòñÿ òàêèå ðàçìåðû: 6/8, 4/8, 2/8 è 3/8. ß ïðàâ?
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Ïîìîãèòå îïðåäåëèòü ìåòð è ðàçìåð ïðîèçâåäåíèÿ.
Âðåìÿ: 11.07.2017 13:14 
Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
Ôîðòåïèàíî, ãèòàðà, âîêàë, ðàçâèòèå ÀÑ è ÎÑ

Êîãî íåò â ÂÊ, ñîò ññûëêà íà þòóá https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI6_tXYS9f0
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Òåìà: Re: Ïîìîãèòå îïðåäåëèòü ìåòð è ðàçìåð ïðîèçâåäåíèÿ.
Âðåìÿ: 14.07.2017 21:02 
Îäèíöîâî/Âèñáàäåí


Íîòû äëÿ óäîáñòâà, à íå äëÿ òåîðåòåçèðîâàíèÿ. Êàê óäîáíåå, òàê è ïèøåì. Ìîæíî ïåðåìåííî ðàçìåðíî, ìîæíî òðèîëÿìè. Òàê äóìàþ.
Ñàìîñòîÿòåëüíî ïðèéòè ê Áîãó - âñå ðàâíî, ÷òî ãëóõîíåìîìó ñòàòü âåëèêèì êîìïîçèòîðîì.

Êîãäà ãîâîðÿò î “ðóññêîé ïîýçèè”, î åå “çîëîòîì” èëè “ñåðåáðÿíîì âåêå” – ìíå ñòàíîâèòñÿ ñìåøíî. “Ðóññêîé ïîýçèè” íåò, êàê íåò “ðóññêîãî ðîêà”.
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Ïîìîãèòå îïðåäåëèòü ìåòð è ðàçìåð ïðîèçâåäåíèÿ.
Âðåìÿ: 28.07.2017 19:26 



"Ìåéåðáåð óñåëñÿ, Øîïåí çàñòàâèë ìåíÿ ïðîäîëæàòü èãðàòü.
- Ýòî òàêò â äâå ÷åòâåðòè, - ñêàçàë Ìåéåðáåð. Øîïåí âîçðàçèë, çàñòàâèë ìåíÿ ïîâòîðèòü, ñòàë îòáèâàòü òàêò êàðàíäàøîì ïî ðîÿëþ, åãî ãëàçà ãîðåëè.
- Äâå ÷åòâåðòè, - ñïîêîéíî ïîâòîðèë Ìåéåðáåð.
Òîëüêî îäíàæäû ÿ âèäåë Øîïåíà âîçáóæä¸ííûì: ýòî áûëî â òó ìèíóòó! Êàê ïðåêðàñåí îí áûë, êîãäà ë¸ãêàÿ êðàñêà çàëèëà åãî áëåäíûå ù¸êè.
- Ýòî òðè ÷åòâåðòè, - ãðîìêî ñêàçàë îí - îí, êîòîðûé âñåãäà ãîâîðèë ø¸ïîòîì.
- Îòäàéòå ìíå, - âîçðàçèë Ìåéåðáåð, - äëÿ áàëåòà ìîåé îïåðû (Àôðèêàíêè, ñî÷èíåíèå êîòîðîé â òî âðåìÿ äåðæàëîñü â òàéíå), - òîãäà ÿ âàì ýòî äîêàæó.
- Ýòî òðè ÷åòâåðòè, - ïî÷òè çàêðè÷àë Øîïåí è ñûãðàë ñàì.
Îí íåñêîëüêî ðàç èãðàë ýòó ìàçóðêó, ãðîìêî ñ÷èòàë, îòáèâàÿ òàêò íîãîé, îí áûë âíå ñåáÿ! Íè÷òî íå ïîìîãàëî, Ìåéåðáåð îñòàëñÿ ïðè ñâîèõ äâóõ ÷åòâåðòÿõ - îíè ðàçîøëèñü âîçáóæä¸ííûå.
... Øîïåí âñ¸-òàêè áûë ïðàâ - îò òîãî, ÷òî òðåòüÿ ÷åòâåðòü ïðîãëàòûâàåòñÿ â óïîìÿíóòîé ïüåñå, îíà âñ¸ æå åù¸ íå óíè÷òîæàåòñÿ; íî ÿ ïîáîÿëñÿ çàòðîíóòü ýòîò âîïðîñ ïðè êîìïîçèòîðå "Ãóãåíîòîâ".

Âèëüãåëüì ôîí Ëåíö "Âîñïîìèíàíèÿ î Øîïåíå".
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